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    • Vinculumundefined
      Vinculum @oliof
      last edited by

      @oliof Good idea but the spool holder is the same as before it had issues.
      Also, it is not bearing based but it is also guided all the way so there is no yank, the tension is fairly steady throughout.

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      • Vinculumundefined
        Vinculum
        last edited by Vinculum

        Ok the plot thickens. I printed a simple square, no infill, just 3 perimeters @ 150mm/s with 0.15mm layer height.
        The only difference is the size, 100x100, 200x200 & 400x400.

        Here is the result (forget the writings):
        Foto 27-12-2021 10 10 46.jpg

        I'm lost...

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        • oliofundefined
          oliof
          last edited by

          what extruder and hotend are you using? bowden or direct?

          <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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          • Vinculumundefined
            Vinculum @oliof
            last edited by Vinculum

            @oliof Direct. Phaetus dragon with bondtech cht nozzle and sherpa extruder with ldo motor.

            Ok here's what I think now. It must be extruder related somehow. It isn't the Z-axis or it would not change depending on layer height or even object size as it does now.
            It is definitly something driven or mechanical since it is way to consistent to be something like material unevenness.

            The main indicator is that the pattern size increased by object size or vice versa. The smaller the object, the larger the gaps become. Bigger object, so more material extruded, is lower interval. It almost looks like it is overextruding every X meters of filament.

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            • oliofundefined
              oliof
              last edited by

              please check that the drive gears on the sherpa are still aligned to each other and inline with the filament path (I've seen some lose position elsewhere which can cause weird issues). Also make sure your hotend fan is still working correctly. Since you have identical printers next to this, maybe switching out the extruder and hotend from another one to this is easier/faster to ensure they are or are not part of the issue here.

              <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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              • rjenkinsgbundefined
                rjenkinsgb
                last edited by

                Are the config files identical between the machines?

                Any chance of a typo in this one, like the extruder being in bang-bang mode?

                Have you tried the hotend thermistor, as I suggested at the start of the thread?

                Robert J.

                Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                • Vinculumundefined
                  Vinculum @rjenkinsgb
                  last edited by

                  @rjenkinsgb

                  M584 X0.4 Y0.5 Z0.0:0.1:0.2:0.3 E1.0 ; set drive mapping
                  M350 X256 Y256 Z64 E32 I0 ; configure microstepping without interpolation
                  M92 X800.00 Y800.00 Z12820.00 E1402.00 ; set steps per mm
                  M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z150.00 E900.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                  M203 X30000 Y30000 Z300 E12000 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                  M201 X2000 Y2000 Z150 E1500 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                  M906 X2000 Y2000 Z2000 E500 I50 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                  M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout

                  ;Hotend 1
                  M308 S1 P"1.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin 1.temp0
                  M950 H1 C"1.out0" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on 1.out0 and map it to sensor 1
                  M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                  M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C

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                  • Vinculumundefined
                    Vinculum
                    last edited by

                    Ok so new update.
                    Swapped the Sherpa extruder for a brand new orbiter, changed the steps/mm etc accordingly.
                    No change.

                    Tried 3rd roll of filament that came from another printer that printed fine with it.
                    No change.

                    Unrolled a couple of meters of filament to eliminate the spoolholder.
                    No change.

                    It is something that changes based on a certain amount of extruded filament but it is not the extruder...

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                    • rjenkinsgbundefined
                      rjenkinsgb @Vinculum
                      last edited by

                      @hbm-3d said in Very stubborn print quality issue:

                      Swapped the Sherpa extruder for a brand new orbiter, changed the steps/mm etc accordingly.
                      No change.

                      Was that the extruder only, or the complete hot end system?
                      (I'm not familiar with those particular extruders).

                      Robert J.

                      Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.

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                      • Falkiaundefined
                        Falkia
                        last edited by

                        How does the temperature graph for the hotend look, is the temperature reading stable?
                        Have you tried another hotend/thermistor/heat element?

                        Printer: "Deltacus" Delta with 510mm bed diameter and 925mm build height. Powered by Duet 2 WiFi. Duet Smart Effector with E3D Volcano.

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                        • engikeneerundefined
                          engikeneer @Vinculum
                          last edited by

                          @hbm-3d said in Very stubborn print quality issue:

                          It is something that changes based on a certain amount of extruded filament but it is not the extruder...

                          Is it time or filament length based? Maybe do a couple of single wall prints the same size with different wall thicknesses to check

                          E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
                          Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
                          i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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                          • theruttmeisterundefined
                            theruttmeister @Vinculum
                            last edited by

                            @hbm-3d change between relative/absolute values for E. See if that does anything. You'll need to change in both RRF and slicer.

                            Isolate, substitute, verify.

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                            • hackinistratorundefined
                              hackinistrator
                              last edited by

                              i'm 90% sure its your bed heat cycle .
                              try to print without heating the bed .

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                              • Vinculumundefined
                                Vinculum @hackinistrator
                                last edited by

                                @hackinistrator
                                You dir sir are my hero of the day. Turned the bed heater off after the first layer et voila:
                                Foto 28-12-2021 10 32 26.jpg

                                So i checked the config with the other printers. It is not completely the same (others are Duet 2 with RRF2) but i missed 1 tiny thing.
                                This line: M307 H0 B1 S1.00
                                The B1 had to be a B0... 😤

                                Problem solved, case closed. I thank you all for your time and input!

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