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    • jay_s_ukundefined
      jay_s_uk @A Former User
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      @thedragonlord theres no onboard 12v supply on the duet 2 so you'll need to use a stepdown

      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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      • A Former User?
        A Former User @jay_s_uk
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        @jay_s_uk said in Using 12Vdc fans with 24Vdc powered board:

        @thedragonlord theres no onboard 12v supply on the duet 2 so you'll need to use a stepdown

        ok, thanks

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        • pro3dundefined
          pro3d @jay_s_uk
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          • pro3dundefined
            pro3d @A Former User
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            @thedragonlord

            You can use 2 x 12V fans in series though. The PWM out pins dont like stepdowns I hear. Not sure though

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            • jay_s_ukundefined
              jay_s_uk @pro3d
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              @pro3d i use stepdowns quite happily

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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              • cosmowaveundefined
                cosmowave @pro3d
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                @pro3d I also use a stepdown without problems...

                Mankati FSXT+, DeltaTowerV2, E3D MS/TC

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                • Norderundefined
                  Norder @A Former User
                  last edited by Norder

                  @thedragonlord

                  My LED lighting is 12V and is connected to a 24V Fan socket on the Duet2 Wifi.
                  In the config.g I have limited this connection to 20% of the power.

                  This should also work with the fan.

                  LED Light Sektion in config.g...

                  ; LED Beleuchtung
                  M950 F2 C"fan2" Q500                        ; create fan 2 on pin fan2 and set its frequency
                  M106 P2 I0 B0.0 C"Beleuchtung" X51          ; LED-Strip (12V) auf Fan 2 / (51 von 255 Stufen = 20%)
                  

                  In the DWC I have a slider for the brightness of the LED lighting.
                  If I set this to 100%, no more than the 20% limited in config.g is output.

                  P.S.:
                  I just see that I0 (i Zero) in the M106 line could go, it's from my old 2.0 firmware configuration.

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                  Meine LED Beleuchtung hat 12V und ist an einem 24V Fan Anschluss auf dem Duet2 Wifi angeschlossen.
                  In der config.g habe ich diesen Anschluss auf 20% der Leistung begrenzt.

                  Das sollte auch mit dem Lüfter funktionieren.

                  Ich habe im DWC einen Schieberegler für die Helligkeit der LED Beleuchtung.
                  Stelle ich diese auf 100% dann wird nicht mehr als diese in der config.g begrenzten 20% ausgegeben.

                  P.S.:
                  Ich sehe gerade dass I0 (i Null) in der M106 Zeile könnte weg, es stammt noch aus meiner alten 2.0 Firmware Konfiguration.

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                  • Norderundefined
                    Norder @Norder
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                    Addendum

                    The X51 in the M106 command line limits this port to 20%.
                    The setting range is from 0 to 255, with 255 being 100%.
                    So 50% would be X127

                    But you can also specify X0.5, which would also mean 50%.
                    The setting range is from 0 to 1, where 1 would mean 100%.

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                    Das X51 in der M106 Befehlszeile begrenzt diesen Anschluss auf 20%.
                    Der Einstellbereich geht hier von 0 bis 255, wobei 255 gleich 100% sind.
                    50% wären demnach also X127

                    Man kann aber auch X0.5 angeben, was auch 50% bedeuten würde.
                    Hier geht der Einstellbereich von 0 bis * wobei die 1 gleich 100% bedeuten würde.

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                    • jay_s_ukundefined
                      jay_s_uk @Norder
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                      @norder that's not how PWM power works. It's still 24v

                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                      • Phaedruxundefined
                        Phaedrux Moderator @jay_s_uk
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                        @jay_s_uk said in Using 12Vdc fans with 24Vdc powered board:

                        @norder that's not how PWM power works. It's still 24v

                        24v 20% of the time is still 24v.

                        LEDs may not mind as much since they probably have some input smoothing, and may just take some hours off the lifespan.

                        A fan may handle it for a while if it's a good quality fan. Cheaper ones may just up and die.

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                        • Norderundefined
                          Norder @Phaedrux
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                          @phaedrux @jay_s_uk
                          I know that it stays at 24V, but it works wonderfully with my LED light, and has been for several years.

                          The cheap fan can't stand it in the long run... I haven't tried it yet.
                          Would I try it? Yes !

                          But everyone has to decide that for themselves.

                          A stepdown doesn't cost much like a 24V fan.
                          Maybe you take the X0.5 solution as a makeshift and order a stepdown or a 24V fan and then change the config.g again!?

                          This method doesn't harm the Duet, at least I haven't had a problem in that direction.

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                          Ich weiß das es bei 24V bleibt, aber es funktioniert bei meinen LED Licht wunderbar, und das schon mehrere Jahre.

                          Das günstige Lüfter es auf Dauer nicht aushalten... ich habe es noch nicht ausprobiert.
                          Ob ich es ausprobieren würde ? Ja !

                          Aber das muss jeder für sich entscheiden.

                          Ein Stepdown kostet nicht viel genau so wie ein 24V Lüfter.
                          Vielleicht nimmt man die X0.5 Lösung als Notbehelf und bestellt sich ein Stepdown bzw einen 24V Lüfter und ändert dann die config.g wieder !?

                          Dem Duet schadet diese Methode nicht, zumindest hatte ich in der Richtung noch kein Problem.

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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator
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                            Yes, for a fan or LED there is little harm, but definitely do no use this method with a heater.

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                            • deckingmanundefined
                              deckingman
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                              I've had some "success" in blowing up 5V fans by setting the vfan jumper to 12V despite using 20% PWM. I've also had "success" blowing up 5V addressable LED's by connecting them to a 12V psu despite using low PWM. Both those "successes" were by accident, I hasten to add.

                              Ian
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                              • jens55undefined
                                jens55
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                                Buck regulators are dirt cheap from AliExpress, maybe a dollar or two. No reason to risk killing a fan or LED's.

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                                • dc42undefined
                                  dc42 administrators @jens55
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                                  24V fans are fairly cheap too!

                                  Duet 3 boards include a 12V regulator.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                  • mrehorstdmdundefined
                                    mrehorstdmd
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                                    A string of diodes (15 or so) or a resistor can drop 12V without creating any PWM problems for the fan or controller.

                                    https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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