Shifting Issue After Resuming APF in RRF

R006 · 9 Apr 2024, 12:14

Hey,

I have belt driven system, and RRF version is 3.5.0 RC3, in this I am facing shifting after Resume APF.

We have observed a consistent shifting problem specifically in the Y axis after resume APF. While the resume process itself seems to function properly, the Y axis exhibits an offset.

we have use backlash for X & Y axis.

Any suggestions on it? @dc42 @Phaedrux

jay_s_uk · 9 Apr 2024, 12:22

@R006 please upgrade to the newly release 3.5.0-RC4 and try again. There have been a number of fixes

R006 · 10 Apr 2024, 06:13

@jay_s_uk
hey i have tried RRF 3.5.0 rc4 in duet 3, faced problem in driving extruder, extruder motor didn't work. flashed an old firmware every thing works fine without any change.

do i have to change anything in config for RRF 3.5.0 rc4?

jay_s_uk · 10 Apr 2024, 06:15

@R006 i wouldn't expect so but i don't know anything about your setup. have you read the changelogs?

R006 · 10 Apr 2024, 06:16

@jay_s_uk
yes

R006 · 11 Apr 2024, 06:58

@jay_s_uk
After upgrade to 3.5.0-rc4, i have facing shifting problem and some time Z is not it's correct position at printing time.

jay_s_uk · 11 Apr 2024, 06:59

@R006 sounds like you have some mechanical issues on Z and you're potentially under powering your stepper motors.
But without knowing anything about your printer, its pretty hard to tell

R006 · 4 Nov 2024, 08:29

@jay_s_uk okay,

In Z axis we have use 3 leadscrew with 2stack stepper motor, in X & Y belt with stepper motor.

My resurrect-prologue.g file is as below.

 G92 Z{param.Z}
G28 X Y
;wait
M116
;rel
M83
M21 P1
G1 E5 F500
;mesh
G29 S1
;Buzz
M300 S600 P100
;Buzz
M300 S700 P1200
;Buzz
M300 S500 P300
;Abs
G90

luca Massimiliano · 11 Apr 2024, 18:46

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jay_s_uk · 11 Apr 2024, 18:53

@luca-Massimiliano I'm not sure I understand your comment or how it applies to this thread

R006 · 12 Apr 2024, 04:41

@jay_s_uk i am waiting for your response

jay_s_uk · 12 Apr 2024, 05:13

@R006 response to what?

R006 · 4 Dec 2024, 05:20

@jay_s_uk shifting issue and Z position after resume APF
and Extruder heater fault

jay_s_uk · 12 Apr 2024, 06:01

@R006 you've posted a single file with no other information about your machine, and expect me to diagnose your problem? And you've thrown in an extruder problem that you've never mentioned before and have again give no other details?
You'll be waiting a long time for any further response from me...

R006 · 12 Apr 2024, 09:40

@jay_s_uk

for duet2 wifi, Shifting in Y direction after Resume APF and Z is not it's correct position at printing time.

config of duet2

 M552 S-1
M586 P0 S1                                           
M586 P1 S0                                          
M586 P2 S0                                           
 
; Drives
M569 P0 S1                                           
M569 P1 S1                                           
M569 P2 S1                                           
M569 P3 S1 
M569 P4 S1 
M569 P5 S1   
M584 X0 Y1 Z2:3:4 E5                                    
M350 X32 Y32 I0                                        
M350 Z16 E16 I1                                      
M92 X160.0 Y160.0 Z2133.33 E932.00                     
M566 X720.00 Y720.00 Z300.00 E600.00                       
M203 X8400.00 Y8400.00 Z420.00 E8400.00          
M201 X3000.00 Y3000.00 Z30.00 E250.00                
M906 X2200 Y2200 Z1600 E800 I50                      
M84 S30                                              
 
; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                                     
M208 X300 Y300 Z304.1 S0                               
                          
M591 D0 P7 C"exp.e3stop" R15:300 L7 E17 S1            
 
M574 X1 S1 P"xstop"                                 
M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop"                                
M574 Z1 S1 P"zstop+e0_stop+e1_stop"                                 
 
; Z-Probe
M950 S0 C"exp.heater3"                               
M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F120 T6000  
                   
G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z1.038
 
M671 X-17.66:297.34:140.00 Y-5.00:-5.00:327.61 S5.0                           
M557 X30:300 Y30:300 S20   
M376 H5                        
		
M950 J1 C"exp.e4stop"  				   	 
M581 P1 T2 R0 S1                                     			     
M582 T2							     
M581 P-1 T2	                                         				     
M581 P1 T0 R0 S1                                    
 
M572 D0 S0.055		                             
 
; Bed Heater
M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138       
M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                                
M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                     
M140 H0                                             
M143 H0 S105                                         
 
; Extuder Heater
M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"pt1000"                          
M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                                 
M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                      
M143 H1 S320                                         
 
; cooling Fans
M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500                                 
M106 P0 S0 H-1                                       
M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500                                 
M106 P1 S0 H-1                                       
 
; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                                    
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                      
G10 P0 R0 S0                                         
 
; Custom settings are not defined
M98 P"0:\macros\SKEW.g"
M98 P"0:\macros\Backlash.g"
M98 P"0:\macros\ChangeSteps.g"
 
; Miscellaneous
M575 P1 S1 B57600                                   
M501                                                
M911 S21 R22.5 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z5 E-5 F1000"

For duet3 i have upgrade the firmware with 3.5.0rc-4 for both main & Expansion board, i this i am drive Extruder using Expansion board, but extruder is not working.
config for duet3

 M569 P0.0 S1                                     
M569 P0.1 S1                                      
M569 P0.2 S1                                   
M569 P0.3 S1                                   
M569 P0.4 S0 T1.3:1.3:1.3:1.3                          
M569 P0.5 S1 T1.3:1.3:1.3:1.3                           
M569 P40.0 S1                                       
M569 P41.0 S1                                       
M584 X0.5 Y0.4 Z0.0:0.1:0.2:0.3 E40.0:41.0            
M350 X8 Y8 Z16 E16:16 I1                             
M92 X100.00 Y100.00 Z200.00 E417.00:417.00             
M566 X600.00 Y600.00 Z120.00 E1200.00:1200.00      
M203 X24000.00 Y24000.00 Z1800.00 E15000.00:15000.00  
M201 X2000.00 Y2000.00 Z30.00 E4000.00:4000.00     
M906 X800 Y800 Z2000 E700:700 I30                        
M84 S30                                                  
 
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                          
M208 X605 Y605 Z660 S0    
                           
M591 D0 P7 C"40.io0.in" R15:300 L7 E17 S1	     
M591 D1 P7 C"41.io0.in" R15:300 L7 E17 S1
 
M574 X1 S1 P"!io6.in"                               
M574 Y1 S1 P"!io5.in"                              
M574 Z1 S1 P"!io4.in+!io1.in+!io2.in+!io3.in"   
          
M950 S0 C"io7.out"                                   
M558 P9 C"^io7.in" H8 F120 T6000   
                 
G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z4.83 
                                                             
M671 X-47.5:-47.5:724.5:724.5 Y-11:634.5:634.5:-11 S1.0  ; 
 
M950 J2 C"io8.in" 		   	 
M581 P2 T2 R0 S0 				     
M582 T2						     
M581 P-2 T2						     
M581 P2 T0 R0 S0
 
				 					 
M572 D0:1 S0.065:0.065 
 
M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138         
M950 H0 C"out0" T0                                    
M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                 
M140 H0                                               
M143 H0 S152   
                                     
M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"pt1000" 
M950 H1 C"out1" T1                                      
M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                      
M143 H1 S305  
                                     
M308 S2 P"temp2" Y"pt1000" 
M950 H2 C"out2" T2                                    
M307 H2 B0 S1.00                                  
M143 H2 S305
 
M950 F0 C"out7" Q32000                              
M106 P0 S0 H-1 
 
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0:1                                  
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                                       
G10 P0 R0 S0                                        
M563 P1 D1 H2 F0:1                                    
G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0                                  
G10 P1 R0 S0          
                                   
M575 P1 S1 B57600                                     
M501                                                  
M911 S21 R22.5 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000"

Phaedrux · 12 Apr 2024, 19:35

What exactly are you seeing for shifting in Y axis?

What do you have in your resurrection files?

How are you homing when resurrecting from power loss? How are you setting Z?

@R006 said in Shifting Issue After Resuming APF in RRF:

M98 P"0:\macros\SKEW.g"
M98 P"0:\macros\Backlash.g"
M98 P"0:\macros\ChangeSteps.g"

What do you have in those macros?

@R006 said in Shifting Issue After Resuming APF in RRF:

but extruder is not working.

What exactly do you mean?

It's very hard to understand exactly what is happening from your posts. Please be descriptive and share as much information as posible.

R006 · 15 Apr 2024, 04:49

@Phaedrux
resurrect-prologue.g

 G92 Z{param.Z}
G28 X Y
;wait
M116
;rel
M83
M21 P1
G1 E5 F500
;mesh
G29 S1
;Buzz
M300 S600 P100
;Buzz
M300 S700 P1200
;Buzz
M300 S500 P300
;Abs
G90

JayT · 16 Apr 2024, 13:04

@Phaedrux :

I have one machine on Duet3. I flashed 3.5RC4. after this extruder motor holds the torque but does not move on extrude commands. When i go back to 3.4.6, it extrudes fine. looks similar to what she's reported. Mine is dual extruder.

Can anyone confirm that 3.5RC4 with their system:
a) drives dual extruder fine
b) Can you test Resume after power failure & check if it resumes fine & does not print from an offset. (for me it occurs in Y direction only).
This happens with Duet2 wifi based belt driven machine.

https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/35334/jerk-acceleration-value-change-after-resume-apf/10?_=1713269800841

c) Can anyone suggest a few checkpoints ?

JayT · 23 Apr 2024, 12:19

@JayT :

This problem of extruder not working with Duet 3 is resolved after flashing RRF3.5.1.
Shifting problem remains same with Duet2, after resume on power failure.

R006 · 29 Apr 2024, 09:37

@R006
hello,
I have tested various versions of RepRapFirmware (RRF), including 3.4.6, 3.5.0rc4, and 3.5.1, in an effort to address the shifting problem. However, the issue remains unchanged across all versions.

To provide context, I operate a guide rod belt-driven system with Duet2 WiFi, which experiences shifting despite the use of different RRF versions.
1.shift in Y direction is more compare to X (most of the time shifting in Y direction with 0.2 to 1 mm).
2.also i have check homing sensor, distance of it is same for X & Y.

I also have a ball screw system with Duet3, and I have never faced similar shifting issues when using the same RRF(3.4.6, 3.5.0rc4, and 3.5.1) versions on this setup.

	G92 Z{param.Z}
	G28 X Y
	;wait
	M116
	;rel
	M83
	M21 P1
	G1 E5 F500
	;mesh
	G29 S1
	;Buzz
	M300 S600 P100
	;Buzz
	M300 S700 P1200
	;Buzz
	M300 S500 P300
	;Abs
	G90

	M552 S-1
	M586 P0 S1
	M586 P1 S0
	M586 P2 S0

	; Drives
	M569 P0 S1
	M569 P1 S1
	M569 P2 S1
	M569 P3 S1
	M569 P4 S1
	M569 P5 S1
	M584 X0 Y1 Z2:3:4 E5
	M350 X32 Y32 I0
	M350 Z16 E16 I1
	M92 X160.0 Y160.0 Z2133.33 E932.00
	M566 X720.00 Y720.00 Z300.00 E600.00
	M203 X8400.00 Y8400.00 Z420.00 E8400.00
	M201 X3000.00 Y3000.00 Z30.00 E250.00
	M906 X2200 Y2200 Z1600 E800 I50
	M84 S30

	; Axis Limits
	M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1
	M208 X300 Y300 Z304.1 S0

	M591 D0 P7 C"exp.e3stop" R15:300 L7 E17 S1

	M574 X1 S1 P"xstop"
	M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop"
	M574 Z1 S1 P"zstop+e0_stop+e1_stop"

	; Z-Probe
	M950 S0 C"exp.heater3"
	M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F120 T6000

	G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z1.038

	M671 X-17.66:297.34:140.00 Y-5.00:-5.00:327.61 S5.0
	M557 X30:300 Y30:300 S20
	M376 H5

	M950 J1 C"exp.e4stop"
	M581 P1 T2 R0 S1
	M582 T2
	M581 P-1 T2
	M581 P1 T0 R0 S1

	M572 D0 S0.055

	; Bed Heater
	M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138
	M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0
	M307 H0 B0 S1.00
	M140 H0
	M143 H0 S105

	; Extuder Heater
	M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"pt1000"
	M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1
	M307 H1 B0 S1.00
	M143 H1 S320

	; cooling Fans
	M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500
	M106 P0 S0 H-1
	M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500
	M106 P1 S0 H-1

	; Tools
	M563 P0 D0 H1 F0
	G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0
	G10 P0 R0 S0

	; Custom settings are not defined
	M98 P"0:\macros\SKEW.g"
	M98 P"0:\macros\Backlash.g"
	M98 P"0:\macros\ChangeSteps.g"

	; Miscellaneous
	M575 P1 S1 B57600
	M501
	M911 S21 R22.5 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z5 E-5 F1000"

	M569 P0.0 S1
	M569 P0.1 S1
	M569 P0.2 S1
	M569 P0.3 S1
	M569 P0.4 S0 T1.3:1.3:1.3:1.3
	M569 P0.5 S1 T1.3:1.3:1.3:1.3
	M569 P40.0 S1
	M569 P41.0 S1
	M584 X0.5 Y0.4 Z0.0:0.1:0.2:0.3 E40.0:41.0
	M350 X8 Y8 Z16 E16:16 I1
	M92 X100.00 Y100.00 Z200.00 E417.00:417.00
	M566 X600.00 Y600.00 Z120.00 E1200.00:1200.00
	M203 X24000.00 Y24000.00 Z1800.00 E15000.00:15000.00
	M201 X2000.00 Y2000.00 Z30.00 E4000.00:4000.00
	M906 X800 Y800 Z2000 E700:700 I30
	M84 S30

	M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1
	M208 X605 Y605 Z660 S0

	M591 D0 P7 C"40.io0.in" R15:300 L7 E17 S1
	M591 D1 P7 C"41.io0.in" R15:300 L7 E17 S1

	M574 X1 S1 P"!io6.in"
	M574 Y1 S1 P"!io5.in"
	M574 Z1 S1 P"!io4.in+!io1.in+!io2.in+!io3.in"

	M950 S0 C"io7.out"
	M558 P9 C"^io7.in" H8 F120 T6000

	G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z4.83

	M671 X-47.5:-47.5:724.5:724.5 Y-11:634.5:634.5:-11 S1.0 ;

	M950 J2 C"io8.in"
	M581 P2 T2 R0 S0
	M582 T2
	M581 P-2 T2
	M581 P2 T0 R0 S0


	M572 D0:1 S0.065:0.065

	M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138
	M950 H0 C"out0" T0
	M307 H0 B0 S1.00
	M140 H0
	M143 H0 S152

	M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"pt1000"
	M950 H1 C"out1" T1
	M307 H1 B0 S1.00
	M143 H1 S305

	M308 S2 P"temp2" Y"pt1000"
	M950 H2 C"out2" T2
	M307 H2 B0 S1.00
	M143 H2 S305

	M950 F0 C"out7" Q32000
	M106 P0 S0 H-1

	M563 P0 D0 H1 F0:1
	G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0
	G10 P0 R0 S0
	M563 P1 D1 H2 F0:1
	G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0
	G10 P1 R0 S0

	M575 P1 S1 B57600
	M501
	M911 S21 R22.5 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000"