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    • droftartsundefined
      droftarts administrators @Inlinebrother
      last edited by

      @Inlinebrother I doubt you will find a step-by-step guide to updating your FFCP, though other people have done it, see the results of this search: https://forum.duet3d.com/search?term=flashforge&in=titles

      To update, gather as much information about the printer settings as you can before disassembly. For a guide to what's needed, see https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Overview/Adapting

      Then follow the 'How to guides' in the main wiki menu to connect up the board to the components of the printer. There is also the series of guides which cover installing a Duet 3 Mini 5+ in and Ender 3 Pro which may help, here https://docs.duet3d.com/en/How_to_guides/Getting_started

      Unfortunately, we have no experience with 3rd party clone boards like the FYSETC Big Dipper, or what connectors they use. This forum is generally for Duet3D hardware and RepRapFirmware support officially, though you are free to post here and you may get some generous user who is prepared to help.

      Ian

      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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      • Exerqtorundefined
        Exerqtor @droftarts
        last edited by

        @Inlinebrother I've deployed a Big Dipper once and the connectors they use is "JST-XH2.45" in warrying pin numbers (mine came with a full set of connectors, so it's suspicious that you didn't get any).

        These should all be avalible at the usual suspects like AliExpress, eBay, Amazon etc. and all the respectable electronics suppliers.

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        • oliofundefined
          oliof
          last edited by

          In theory, the Big Dipper should be pin compatible with the Duet 3 mini 5+ and the 2 stepper expansion board.

          Apart from the links mentioned above, you can work through https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Machine_configuration/Configuration_cartesian to get the machine working with a single hotend, and then look at https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Tuning/Tool_changing to get the second print head working.

          The Flashforge approach of putting two hotends on a single carriage will be frustrating to setup, especially if there is no way to adjust the Z height on either hotend. And when the configurationworks, you will fiddle with standby temperatures, fight oozing, and deal with the inactive hotend being in the way and a source for collisions with swelling/curling plastic from an existing parts ...

          Best of success, let us know how it works out!

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          • bug2k22undefined
            bug2k22 @Inlinebrother
            last edited by

            It should be a pretty straight forward conversion. I have previously converted a Flashforge clone (ctc) with a Duet2 and it worked fine.

            I agree the 2 extruders were a pain and I ended up removing one of them. I've since modified it with an e3d hemera xs and the duet ir z probe works well as a z end stop and for mesh bed compensation.

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            • Inlinebrotherundefined
              Inlinebrother @Exerqtor
              last edited by

              @Exerqtor Thank you, it seems that they don't supply these connectors anymore because they are not listed in the description or on the box. I bought the board in the official FYSETC store on AliExpress.

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              • Inlinebrotherundefined
                Inlinebrother @oliof
                last edited by Inlinebrother

                @oliof Hi, thank you, now I am a bit frightened. 😬

                • How Z height is connected to the board?🤔 I thought that it is usually a matter of setting the Z -max/min coordinates and adjusting the height of printing heads (in my case flexion extruders) manually by using a screwdriver and bed levelling.

                • Is oozing something that is specific to the Duet/Big Dipper board?🤔 Are there any measures used by the manufacturer in Sailfish that help to overcome these problems? I had some experience printing with both heads, and it was actually ok for my nonprofessional projects. Maybe that's because flexion extruder is better with oozing.

                • It seems that dealing with "inactive hotend being in the way" is a problem of a slicer, is it not? 😓

                I'll appreciate your help!

                Best of success, let us know how it works out!

                Yeah, I will certainly share my results with you.

                Actually the first problem and solution that I'd like to share is connection via usb type-c to a PC.
                Today I thought the board was broken because the LEDs didn't work. It turned out that Big Dipper uses a physical switch between 5v power and 24v power supply. You have to select 5v supply via moving that switch to make the board turn on.
                It might not be obvious for someone like me 😀

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                • oliofundefined
                  oliof @Inlinebrother
                  last edited by

                  @Inlinebrother Oozing is specific to that kind of dual hotend setup, nothing to do with the big dipper.

                  The Z offset I am referring to is the actual height of the nozzles -- they will be somewhat disparate due to differences when screwing them into the hotend and manufacturing tolerances.

                  <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                  • Inlinebrotherundefined
                    Inlinebrother
                    last edited by Inlinebrother

                    Ok, I want to share one of the first steps that I went through yesterday.

                    I received different kinds of connectors that are listed in specs and continued with the project to prepare and install Fysetc Big Dipper.

                    The first thing you have to do while you have easy access to type c port is to install firmware and setup wifi.
                    But before that you have to connect to PC or Mac. I used mac to setup everything. The Duet 3 mini5+ docs are actually very helpful, and for now I haven't found any big differences besides the 5v select that I mention below.
                    First thing you might encounter is that there is no power via type c. You have to move a 5v select switch to another corner. Also attach the antenna for better signal.
                    I used this doc to connect https://docs.duet3d.com/en/How_to_guides/Getting_connected/Getting_connected_to_your_Duet
                    At first I used screen tool in terminal to connect, but if you have simplify3d you can do that from there, it is much more convenient.
                    To control your board you will need to use Gcodes from here https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Reference/Gcodes

                    The firmware that was installed on Fysetc Big Dipper was 3.5.0 rc3 for Duet 3 mini5+ (M115). For some reason the guys from FYSETC installed the rc version. And also something was missing. I guess wifi server needed to be installed. Also there was no SD card. So I had to prepare one myself.

                    To prepare an SD card on macOS I had to use the official SD card formatter from SD card association. The macos disk utility for some reason left traces of exFAT on the sd card (this SD card was previously used in a phone with some custom formatting)
                    Also for Duet Web Control to run I had to use a firmware configurator and try to create the config for printer, though for now I don't know some specifics about the wiring, for example I don't know how to setup the led strip that comes with the printer. Also the direction of the drives is not obvious for me.

                    After the config was ready I put these three directories that were generated on the SD card.
                    First time the SD card didn't mount because of the exFAT file system. After formatting that thing was fixed.

                    But then I had issues with reconnecting to wifi. I have several guesses.
                    First I updated all the firmware to the latest stable version. For that you have to first download files from the Github and place
                    Duet3Firmware_Mini5plus.uf2
                    Duet3_SDiap32_Mini5plus.bin
                    DuetWiFiServer.bin
                    to a firmware folder
                    You might also see the first two files generated by the configurator but I don't trust them and I think the best way is to use the files from the github release zip archive. Besides the configurator for some reason is missing the wifi server file.
                    At first i tried the M997 S0:1 command, but then I repeated this command for wifi server only M997 S1
                    Then I also tried not to connect to the board via SImplify3d, after I did all the setup.
                    And these two steps helped the board not to loose connection to a Wifi network for 10 minutes that I tested that. I will have to make a longer test, but I think it will happen when I will start printing.

                    Ok so after that I had the board connected to my wifi and it is now prepared for the next step. Next I will have to wire everything, put labels on cables and revisit the config files and update according to new info.

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                    • Inlinebrotherundefined
                      Inlinebrother
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                      Hi, again, today I overcame my fear and started to crimp.

                      All in all for FFCP you need to crimp

                      • all four fans 1.board fan 2. cooler fan 3.extruder 1 fan 4. extruder 2 fan
                      • five stepper motors
                      • 3 end stop switches (x/y/z)
                      • hotbed thermistor 4 pin to 2
                      • LED strip because the board uses 3pin connector for that instead of 4 pin, but I am not yet sure that the original LED strip is supported

                      Today I crimped stepper motors and 2 endstops
                      Stepper motors are easy to crimp, because you only have to check the right order of the cables.
                      Endstops have 4 pins, but you have to use a 5 pin connector and use only three pins out of them, because Big Dipper/Duet has only one ground. I crimped both grounds together, but if that's wrong please point it out before I plug it in)

                      I used these two schemes for that
                      https://www.geeetech.com/wiki/index.php/Mighty_Board#Interface_Layout
                      https://wiki.fysetc.com/BIG-DIPPER/#3d-model

                      and I only needed xh2.54 connectors, thanks for the advice @Exerqtor

                      Crimping process is a new thing for me, so I had to watch some videos to undestand the idea)

                      For those like me, in a few words, you have to use a crimper tool like SN-2549 and squeeze the tail leaving the front part with a locklng tab intact. Also the idea is to squeeze the tail to fix the cable insulation, so the exposed part of the conductor shouldn't be too long. But I have yet to check my crimping skills, after I finish that process.

                      Also I accidentaly damaged end stop cable, because I thought it was a bad cable, but it turned out I am the one who is bad at electronics) I guess they make a special GND cable without insulation to take off interference from y and z axis of endstops. For some reason x endstop cable uses another shielding and there is no exposed wires there. So i ripped z axis cable apart and now I am waiting for a new one from ali.

                      In the meantime I'll finish with other components.

                      I also checked my adapter design for the Big Dipper
                      It is ok, but I will have to use only 3 out of 5 screws, because some holes are below the board and the board might touch the screws.
                      Also I guess I'll have to turn the board in such a way that stepper driver chips are not directly in the line of sight of the board fan. But I think the space between the board and the case would be enough to ensure some airflow. Also I think to add heat sinks, although FYSETC says that they are not necessary.

                      I also ordered an extender for type-c, to make access to the board easier.
                      As far as WiFi is concerned, I don't want to make holes, so I'll try to design a holder that will be placed on top of the holes for old reset button and mightyboard data port. But for that i will need to start printing, so it'll have to wait)

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                      • oliofundefined
                        oliof
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                        the endstops need to be wired individually. See the diagram 97799a7f-a4c4-4615-9bda-67642609b0a3-image.png.

                        <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                        • Inlinebrotherundefined
                          Inlinebrother @oliof
                          last edited by Inlinebrother

                          @oliof Hi, thanks, I don't understand what you mean though.

                          Actually forgot to mention where I plan to put which cabel. Maybe that will clear things out

                          1. So with drivers everything is obvious
                          2. Endstops according to docs under the scheme are going into io_0-io-6 ports.
                            MightyBoard endstops Mech 1.3v have 4 pins (signal, GND,GND, 5v)
                            So I decided to use three out of five pins for each endstop based on this doc https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Sensors_endstops
                            signal == io_in
                            gnd1 + gnd2 == gnd
                            vcc/5v == DC-DC 5V
                          3. Fans will go into out_3-out_6 ports
                            +positive cable will go into - V_OUTLC1+
                            -negative cable will go into - out-
                          4. Board thermistor will maybe go into temp0-temp2 and again 4 pins should become 2 pins. But according to mightyBoard pinout it has
                            HB_T
                            GND
                            GND
                            5v
                            And what is bothering me is that it needs some power and maybe should go into one of the io ports and not temp
                          5. I have a daugherboard for extruder thermocouples
                          6. Power cables go where they should.
                            But I have only two cables for the bed,
                            so I guess
                            +positive will go into - BED POWER IN
                            -negative will go into - OUT0-
                          7. And LED should go into NP_LED I suppose, but it is hard for me to understand what pins should go where.
                            According to mightyboard doc the LED has 4 pins
                            24v
                            LED0
                            LED1
                            LED2
                            And Big Dipper has 3
                            GND
                            DO(PA8)
                            V-LED
                            I guess V-LED might be the power pin. But other pins seem incompatible
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                          • oliofundefined
                            oliof
                            last edited by

                            looks like the mechanical endstops have gnd and signal for the end stop, and gnd and vin for the activity LED. I don't know if its advisable to tie gnd together in this case as vin for the led may interfere with signal. I'd personally forego attaching the LED.

                            <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                            • oliofundefined
                              oliof @Inlinebrother
                              last edited by

                              @Inlinebrother NP Led is for Neo pixel LEDs and not related to individual dumb LEDs.

                              <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                              • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                Inlinebrother
                                last edited by

                                Hi, some updates
                                I received an endstop cable
                                And yesterday, after a month or two 😄 found some motivation to start checking how it works
                                So here is the list of what is checked right now
                                Power applied via standard for FFCP cables is working OK
                                I can connect to WiFi via Big Dipper when 24v is applied OK
                                (though you can't use USB 5v and 24v interchangeably to configure WiFi, because you have to move the selector physically. So if you want only to connect to USB and configure WiFi you have to move selector. If you want to use 24v and have a working WiFI you have to return the selector to the default state)
                                XYZ motors are moving when command is sent via WiFi OK
                                XYZ endstops are flashing when triggered OK
                                (though I don't know how to check whether endstops are working as expected before I try to home axis)

                                Next steps
                                check fans
                                check thermistors
                                check heaters
                                Then close the case and try to configure the print

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                                • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                  Inlinebrother
                                  last edited by Inlinebrother

                                  Next update:
                                  Extruder Fans OK
                                  Cooling Fan (with ability to control air flow from 0 to 100) OK

                                  Next steps:
                                  Forgot to crimp board fan cable TODO
                                  Fix wrong wiring of the Bed thermistor TODO
                                  Have to recrimp x axis motor cable TODO
                                  check thermocouples are working when there are no config errors TODO
                                  and heaters
                                  (found a thread about bed thermistor here - https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/7285/flashforge-creator-pro-heat-bed-wiring/2)

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                                  • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                    Inlinebrother
                                    last edited by Inlinebrother

                                    Next update:

                                    • By using the thread above now I see the bed temperature via a thermistor OK
                                      used first two cables out of 4 (white and green in my case)

                                    • Config from this thread helped me to turn on thermocouples (though i had to downgrade them to thermocouple-max31855 from thermocouple-max31856) OK

                                    • board fan working OK

                                    • extruder heaters are working OK

                                    • bed heater is not working, I'll check what's wrong next time TODO

                                    • Also I need to close the printer TODO

                                    • LEDs are not working and I don't think I am going to fix that in the nearest future NOT_HAPPENING
                                      I might replace the screen with the one from FYSETC TODO

                                    • Fix config issues that i can come across TODO

                                    • And finally print something TODO

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                                    • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                      Inlinebrother
                                      last edited by

                                      Hi, everyone, if you are reading this, then I....

                                      Finally finished assembling the printer after the upgrade)

                                      • I managed to home all axes OK

                                      • Added a fysetc 12864 screen, though it needs an adapter OK
                                        I used the menu made by jadonmmiller
                                        But I'll have to update the UI because this one is only for 1 extruder setup

                                      • Drivers are doing their job, I hear almost only fans) OK

                                      • Figured out why the bed was not heating, it has a separate power input, and I had to buy another cable and crimp it OK

                                      • For now I skipped BLTouch sensor installation, because I don't want to make it even harder.

                                      • I started to configure the printer
                                        And it seems that I'll have to read Gcode docs and learn Gcode, because it is everywhere
                                        From screen menu and configs to printing instructions

                                      • At the moment I have to find Gcodes to load/unload filaments and check that extruders directions are correct TODO

                                      • Then I'll have to configure Cura TODO

                                      Somehow I used the printer without Gcode knowledge before that)

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                                      • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                        Inlinebrother
                                        last edited by Inlinebrother

                                        So I found gcodes in docs to load/unload filament
                                        Then I had to change some configs for extruder drives
                                        And now I got a problem with thermocouple board because there is interference from stepper motor cabels

                                        It seems that Flashforge fixed that issue in their version of mighty board, because i did nothing to the cables other than changing connectors

                                        I have a 0.2v daughterboard and I think in 0.2v there was no capacitor
                                        according to this thread adding a capacitor helps https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/1270/thermocouple-issues/10

                                        @dc42 Hi, sorry to tag you, but can you please confirm that in the daughterboard 0.2v there was no capacitor?
                                        As far as I see from the picture of the daughterboard on the official site, the new version has some extra components on top of it
                                        mine


                                        from the site

                                        And is the process the same for the 0.2v board?

                                        • Take 4 capacitors
                                        • find a ground plate
                                        • solder capacitors to each pin and to the ground
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                                        • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                          Inlinebrother
                                          last edited by

                                          Ok, I found your answer for the same question here
                                          So i think one of the ways to fix that is to get the wire out of the casing

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                                          • Inlinebrotherundefined
                                            Inlinebrother
                                            last edited by Inlinebrother

                                            But moving the thermocouple wires away from the other wires didn't help
                                            Only one of the thermocouples for the right extruder now is working correctly, but i can't say exactly what helped, maybe i crimped it better. Although it still can catch the interference from the other thermocouple, even if using it alone does not provoke interference
                                            They are still near the drives on the head, and i think that is where they pick this interference

                                            I wonder if using a thermistor will help
                                            Flexion extruder allows to install it, and the board has ports for temp sensors

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