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    Wyvern
    last edited by 5 Feb 2019, 19:01

    I use printed alignment tools for all linear rails just for this reason.

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      mrehorstdmd
      last edited by 5 Feb 2019, 19:59

      I mounted the Y axis rails on 1/4" MIC6 plates bolted to a 40mm square t-slot frame. That whole assembly then bolted into the printer's frame:

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      My original intention with this was to make a couple different height printer frames into which I could just drop this assembly. I didn't end up doing that, but it does seem to keep the rails parallel to each other.

      https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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        TLeTourneau @SupraGuy
        last edited by 5 Feb 2019, 22:25

        @supraguy I'll get a machinist straight edge and check the plate, some of it could be in the allowed flatness as ATP-5 is has an allowed variance of +/- 0.127mm. The bed is not rigidly attached to the frame, I used a variation of the kinematic mount so the bed rests on three ball head screws and springs are used to ensure the bed remains stable. I did use alignment blocks when I installed the linear rails. However when I used a square to check the upper frame it appeared to be very slightly out of square. So I think the overall frame may be slightly out of square, I may take it apart and reassemble it using the square to validate this time and see if that helps.

        Thanks,
        Tom

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          Wyvern
          last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 17:19

          Got mine in!

          It ended up being straight forward.

          It's only 300W but I like that it warms slowly as to evenly heat for the first layer and there is less possibility for overshoot.

          Literally the first print so I'm not sure how well the PEI will stick- I didn't realise when I ordered it, it was so thin, less than a mm- those are not bubbles, it is where I squeegeed the water out.0_1549559900196_20190207_115946.jpg

          The SSR came with a chunky heat sink, with this low of power is it even necessary?

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            mrehorstdmd @Wyvern
            last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 17:25

            @wyvern I use 0.7mm thick PEI and it lasts for years. It's very tough stuff.

            https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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              Wyvern
              last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 17:33

              Cool.

              The test block popped off at 45C no problem, almost like glass with hairspray.

              I lost 10mm Z build volume 390vs 400, I could shim the bearings even more, but I'ts not often I build that high anyway.

              Next step is to route the wires so they are clean and out of the way- cable chain might be nice.

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                TLeTourneau @Wyvern
                last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 21:47

                @wyvern said in Yet another cast aluminum plate topic...:

                Got mine in!

                It ended up being straight forward.

                It's only 300W but I like that it warms slowly as to evenly heat for the first layer and there is less possibility for overshoot.

                Literally the first print so I'm not sure how well the PEI will stick- I didn't realise when I ordered it, it was so thin, less than a mm- those are not bubbles, it is where I squeegeed the water out.0_1549559900196_20190207_115946.jpg

                The SSR came with a chunky heat sink, with this low of power is it even necessary?

                I am running a 1000 watt heater with my SSR, measured temp on the back of the SSR without a heatsink was around 35-40C which I think is reasonable so I am not going to install the big heatsink. 1000 watts at 120v is 8.333 amps, well under the 20 amp rating of the SSR.

                Thanks,
                Tom

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                Duet 2 Ethernet v1.04
                Firmware Version: 2.02(RTOS) (2018-12-24b1)
                Web Interface Version: 1.22.6
                7" PanelDue
                E3D V6 Clone
                MOSFET's for hot end
                1000w Keenovo with SSR for heat bed
                dc42 Mini IR Sensor or BLTouch

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                  taconite
                  last edited by 7 Feb 2019, 23:57

                  Is there a possibility to set max bed temperature?

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                    TLeTourneau @taconite
                    last edited by TLeTourneau 2 Aug 2019, 00:54 8 Feb 2019, 00:00

                    @taconite said in Yet another cast aluminum plate topic...:

                    Is there a possibility to set max bed temperature?

                    It should be in your config.g file already, it'll be under ; Heaters and look something like this:

                    M143 H0 S120                                       ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                    M143 H1 S280                                       ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                    

                    H0 is my bed heater and H1 is my hot end.

                    I also use a 184C thermal fuse for redundancy.

                    Thanks,
                    Tom

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                    1000w Keenovo with SSR for heat bed
                    dc42 Mini IR Sensor or BLTouch

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                      Wyvern
                      last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 00:16

                      Yeah, that is a concern of mine, there is always power available to the bed should the SSR short closed. A short circuit shouldn't be an issue since it's fused.

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                        Phaedrux Moderator @Wyvern
                        last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 00:21

                        @wyvern Something like this: https://www.be-electronics.com/product_p/ecg8149.htm

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                          TLeTourneau
                          last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 00:54

                          Here is the one I use: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DKD619C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

                          Thanks,
                          Tom

                          TronXY X5S-500 (CoerXY)
                          Duet 2 Ethernet v1.04
                          Firmware Version: 2.02(RTOS) (2018-12-24b1)
                          Web Interface Version: 1.22.6
                          7" PanelDue
                          E3D V6 Clone
                          MOSFET's for hot end
                          1000w Keenovo with SSR for heat bed
                          dc42 Mini IR Sensor or BLTouch

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                            Wyvern
                            last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 05:17

                            Would taped to the mat suffice? I will probably source a lower temp one around 150C as I don't intend on heating it past 110C or so.

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                              Phaedrux Moderator @Wyvern
                              last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 05:18

                              @wyvern A blob of RTV silicone is a good way to stick it on.

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                                Wyvern
                                last edited by 8 Feb 2019, 05:39

                                Never thought of that! I'm an auto/machine technician so I have tons of that crap.

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                                  Wyvern
                                  last edited by 17 Feb 2019, 00:47

                                  Hmm, before I start working on cad files for making my removable mechanical bed probe.

                                  Is it possible to say, have the machine home X and Y and ignore Z and wait until you say, click the Z end-stop to start probing?
                                  Does the probe always need to do a Z- offset on startup?

                                  I really haven't dabbled in bed probing, only used the built in code on my Anycubic delta (and that thing is wonky)

                                  I plan on using probing for a bed level map, as the level should almost never change.

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                                    Phaedrux Moderator @Wyvern
                                    last edited by 17 Feb 2019, 00:59

                                    @wyvern said in Yet another cast aluminum plate topic...:

                                    wait until you say, click the Z end-stop to start probing?

                                    You could add a M291 pop-up prompt with a blocking wait until you click ok or cancel.

                                    @wyvern said in Yet another cast aluminum plate topic...:

                                    Does the probe always need to do a Z- offset on startup?

                                    I don't understand what this means.

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                                      Wyvern @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by 17 Feb 2019, 01:52

                                      @phaedrux

                                      The Anycubic had to probe Z and store that information before it would perform the bed compensation routine, but I imagine it is only for delta's.

                                      There isn't any need to have this set up right?

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                                        Phaedrux Moderator @Wyvern
                                        last edited by 17 Feb 2019, 01:58

                                        @wyvern I think I'm having a dense moment. I still don't really understand.

                                        For Delta's you'd have to do an auto delta calibration before printing, but I don't understand that in the context of what you're asking.

                                        Explain it like I'm 5.

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                                          Wyvern
                                          last edited by Wyvern 17 Feb 2019, 03:41

                                          Well with me we make 10!

                                          The delta has a removable probe so it saves that data and applies it until it glitches out and forgets.

                                          With that machine it has to probe Z and then it shuts off, you then have to probe and then save.

                                          But that's a crap board, crap firmware.

                                          I'm sure all I need to do is probe, save and apply the map every print.

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