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    • thweundefined
      thwe @pawPrinter
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      @pawprinter said in Latching magnetic tool changer:

      You can look at my cad files on Onshape if you like ...

      I think that's a very good system and would like to build it. Would you please provide the cad data?

      Unfortunately I can not find the oneshape link.

      Thomas

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      • fmaundefined
        fma
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        I think this is here: https://cad.onshape.com/documents/ee78eeb0f6b8aaf2d8eaeb6f/w/dcf1bccd45c5fcc6fbba5f9c/e/701e92f83c58894a4886d70a

        Do you have to pull hard to disconnect the magnets?

        Frédéric

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        • thweundefined
          thwe @fma
          last edited by thwe

          @fma said in Latching magnetic tool changer:

          I think this is here: https://cad.onshape.com/documents/ee78eeb0f6b8aaf2d8eaeb6f/w/dcf1bccd45c5fcc6fbba5f9c/e/701e92f83c58894a4886d70a

          Do you have to pull hard to disconnect the magnets?

          Thanks for the link, but i have no account and the link leads me to a login page.

          Thomas

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          • fmaundefined
            fma
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            Mmm, I though it was possible to see designs even when not logged on (a recent feature); I may be wrong.

            I suggest you create an account, it's free. Create a dummy one, just to see public designs (there are thousands) if you don't plan to use Onshape...

            Frédéric

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            • pawPrinterundefined
              pawPrinter
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              Yeah, sorry, I have enabled link sharing now so you should be able to view without an Onshape account.

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              • thweundefined
                thwe @pawPrinter
                last edited by

                @pawprinter said in Latching magnetic tool changer:

                Yeah, sorry, I have enabled link sharing now ...

                Thanks 👍

                Thomas

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                • pawPrinterundefined
                  pawPrinter
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                  @fma said in Latching magnetic tool changer:

                  Do you have to pull hard to disconnect the magnets?

                  Not once the plates have been angled apart by the wedging action of the latch. There is still some pull which is easily overcome. I was surprised how far the magnet's attraction is effective, but once the plates are split they are easy to separate fully. The remaining attraction is actually helpful to keep the heads aligned properly. Obviously there is a balance between the strength of the magnets and the size/angle of the wedged latches. I found it quite easily by trial and error.

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                  • fmaundefined
                    fma
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                    I see. Clever design!

                    Frédéric

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                    • pawPrinterundefined
                      pawPrinter
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                      Here are some more heads that I've made for my latching tool changer.
                      Two are water cooled: One for a standard hot end, and one to fit a volcano. It turns out that water cooling is fantastic, and much less fuss than I thought it would be.
                      The other head is sporting a Bondtech BMG fitted for printing flexibles. It is a bit experimental to see if the magnetic mount can take the weight. So far it has worked very well, but it's perhaps not the most elegant solution. However, it was very simple to adapt the Bondtech in this way, and I get the advantage of a well proven feeder.
                      When you can easily swap heads over, it starts to get very versatile, but can be a configuration nightmare!
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                      • fmaundefined
                        fma
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                        Very nice work!

                        I'm thinking to make a system to be able to swap hotends but keep the extruder on the carriage. Or at least, just the motor, and use a quick shaft coupling...

                        Frédéric

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                        • pawPrinterundefined
                          pawPrinter @fma
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                          @fma Thanks. Yes, your idea would make a lot of sense. I might wait to see what you do, before I re-design mine.

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                          • fmaundefined
                            fma
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                            Don't hold your breath, as I need to re-design all my CoreXY gantry to be able to implement a tool changer 😉

                            Frédéric

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                            • pawPrinterundefined
                              pawPrinter @fma
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                              @fma Ha ha - Yeah, I know how it is!!

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                              • Red Sand Robotundefined
                                Red Sand Robot
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                                @pawPrinter Have you seen any issues with the magnets causing interference with the stepper motor driving the Bondtech extruder? I want to make a version of a magnetic parking extruder system on a Prusa style machine, but am concerned about the electromagnet interfering with the operation of the stepper motor.

                                almost an engineer

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                                • fmaundefined
                                  fma
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                                  A magnet does not generate electromagnetic interference, as it is a pure static magnetic field.

                                  It can influence a stepper motor in 2 ways:

                                  • if the stepper and the magnet move relatively of each other (Foucault currents, Faraday effect...). But you need to move them fast to have an effect!

                                  • if the static field is high enough to reduce/cancel the magnetic field of the stepper. Unless the magnet is very big and touches the stepper, it should not happen.

                                  Frédéric

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                                  • dc42undefined
                                    dc42 administrators
                                    last edited by dc42

                                    As @fma implies, the chances of magnets interfering with stepper drivers is very small. However, strong magnets can prevent brushless fans from working, and even weak magnets can affect a BLTouch.

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    • Red Sand Robotundefined
                                      Red Sand Robot
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                                      @fma @dc42 Thanks for the info! I'll probably have the Bondtech/Titan in between the electromagnet and the stepper motor just to be safe. I'm planning on using a small M3 screw, spring and printed flag with an optical endstop switch (and homing without the electromagnets on) so there shouldn't be any issues there as might happen with a BLTouch.

                                      almost an engineer

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                                      • pawPrinterundefined
                                        pawPrinter @Red Sand Robot
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                                        @red-sand-robot No, I've not noticed any problems with the Bondtech being affected by the magnets (which are permanent magnets in my case, not electromagnets - I found electromagnets a bit heavy).
                                        Interestingly, I have had one occasion when a fan didn't start up properly. I didn't think much of it at the time, because fans can be annoying, but it could have been related to the magnets as @dc42 predicts.

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                                        • juan74undefined
                                          juan74
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                                          @pawPrinter Nice work! I'll be inspiration for me. Could you please share your config file?

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                                          • psychotik2k3undefined
                                            psychotik2k3 @fma
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                                            @fma kinda like mmu2 but once the filament is feeded it would go into free mode or another channel

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