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    • Vetiundefined
      Veti
      last edited by

      did you read the guide?
      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Tuning_the_heater_temperature_control

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      • B0M0A0Kundefined
        B0M0A0K
        last edited by B0M0A0K

        I have now completed PID tuning of both Bed and Extruder as well as e-steps calibration on the extruder and re-run my first test prints.

        The results are pretty much the same as presented at the start of this post. I am seeing a very loose extrusion with little inter-filament adhesion, I am also still seeing a weird "pulse" in the filament as it is laid down.

        Both Bed and Extruder temperatures are now very stable and the e-steps calibration of the extruder was accurate and didn't need any modification.

        Do you think these issues are being caused by something I may have overlooked in the set-up of the printer/board or is this now a matter of re-tuning the slicing software (Cura 4.1.0)?

        Settings Files;

        5_1559663925636_homez.g 4_1559663925636_homey.g 3_1559663925636_homex.g 2_1559663925636_homeall.g 1_1559663925636_config.g 0_1559663925636_bed.g

        Cura Settings:

        Resolution: 0.3mm
        Print Temp: 190
        Print Temp Initial Layer: 190
        Initial print temp: 180
        Build Plate Temp: 60
        Flow: 100%
        Retraction enabled
        Retraction Distance: 6.5mm
        Retraction Speed: 25
        Print Speed: 60
        Travel Speed: 120
        Initial Layer Speed: 30.0
        Cooling Enabled
        FAN Speed: 100
        FAN Regular Speed: 100
        FAN Max Speed: 100
        Support: No
        Build Plate Adhesion: Brim
        Brim Width: 8.0
        Print Sequence: All At Once


        ;FLAVOR:RepRap
        ;TIME:1640
        ;Filament used: 0.858545m
        ;Layer height: 0.3
        ;MINX:39.7
        ;MINY:39.7
        ;MINZ:0.3
        ;MAXX:160.3
        ;MAXY:160.3
        ;MAXZ:1.8
        ;Generated with Cura_SteamEngine 4.1.0
        T0
        M190 S60
        M104 S190
        M109 S190
        M82 ;absolute extrusion mode
        G21 ;metric values
        G90 ;absolute positioning
        M82 ;set extruder to absolute mode
        M107 ;start with the fan off
        G28 X0 Y0 ;move X/Y to min endstops
        G28 Z0 ;move Z to min endstops
        G1 Z15.0 F120 ;move the platform down 15mm
        G92 E0 ;zero the extruded length
        G1 F200 E6 ;extrude 6 mm of feed stock
        G92 E0 ;zero the extruded length again
        G1 F120
        M117 Printing...
        M83 ;relative extrusion mode
        G1 F1500 E-6.5
        ;LAYER_COUNT:6
        ;LAYER:0
        M107
        G0 F3600 X42.123 Y41.849 Z0.3
        ;TYPE:SKIRT
        G1 F1500 E6.5
        G1 F1800 X42.722 Y41.334 E0.01486

        BODY CODE REMOVED

        ;TIME_ELAPSED:1640.655353
        G1 F1500 E-6.5
        M140 S0
        M82 ;absolute extrusion mode
        M107
        M104 S0 ;extruder heater off
        G91 ;relative positioning
        G1 E-1 F300 ;retract the filament a bit before lifting the nozzle, to release some of the pressure
        G1 Z+0.5 E-5 X-20 Y-20 F120 ;move Z up a bit and retract filament even more
        G28 X0 Y0 ;move X/Y to min endstops, so the head is out of the way
        M84 ;steppers off
        G90 ;absolute positioning
        M83 ;relative extrusion mode
        M104 S0
        ;End of Gcode

        0_1559664121990_WIN_20190604_16_35_45_Pro.jpg

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by

          The maximum speed and jerk of your extruder is quite low. At the very least this can impact your retraction speed and could impact pressure advance if and when you decide to try it.

          M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z12.00 E120.00 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
          M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z600.00 E600.00 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)

          Try M566 E1200 and M203 E6000

          It's hard to see from the picture because it's very small, but if it looks similar to the first picture you posted it still looks over extruded. Since your E steps have been calibrated, perhaps we need to look at other sources of over extrusion. Perhaps the Z axis steps per mm is incorrect at 400? If it's not raising the nozzle the expected amount for eachlayer, it would appear as over extrusion.

          If you raise the nozzle 100mm above the bed does it measure out as 100mm in actuality?

          I have been working on Part 4 of the Ender 3 guide for initial calibration. It's still in draft form, but you can take a look to see if anything jumps out at you. https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40

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          • B0M0A0Kundefined
            B0M0A0K @Phaedrux
            last edited by

            @phaedrux Thanks very much. I will review all that you have said here and see what changes I can make (it's currently printing a very raggedy Benchy).

            I would very much like to take a look at your calibration guide. I was sorry to see it missing when I ran through "commissioning".

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            • B0M0A0Kundefined
              B0M0A0K
              last edited by

              I really wouldn't want to put to sea in this, but hopefully the photos are closer in and you can get a better idea of what i am seeing.

              3_1559665966945_WIN_20190604_17_30_24_Pro.jpg 2_1559665966945_WIN_20190604_17_30_15_Pro.jpg 1_1559665966945_WIN_20190604_17_29_55_Pro.jpg 0_1559665966945_WIN_20190604_17_29_48_Pro.jpg

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              • B0M0A0Kundefined
                B0M0A0K
                last edited by

                .. for comparison. This is what my Benchy looked like with the old Melzi board.

                2_1559666516054_WIN_20190604_17_40_20_Pro.jpg 1_1559666516054_WIN_20190604_17_40_09_Pro.jpg 0_1559666516054_WIN_20190604_17_39_59_Pro.jpg

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                • B0M0A0Kundefined
                  B0M0A0K @Phaedrux
                  last edited by

                  @phaedrux said in First Test Print following Duet3d Upgrade:
                  Perhaps the Z axis steps per mm is incorrect at 400?

                  Actually I took this measurement from the EEPROM of the old Melzi board.Thought it was probably a good place to start.

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                  • Vetiundefined
                    Veti
                    last edited by

                    can you print a temperature tower?
                    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2625999

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                    • B0M0A0Kundefined
                      B0M0A0K @Veti
                      last edited by

                      @veti Haven't tried that yet, great suggestion. I'm desperately trying to get this to an acceptable level where I can print the BLTouch mount and get that installed to help with the hell that is bed levelling 😞

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                      • bricorundefined
                        bricor
                        last edited by bricor

                        Are you using the stock extruder? I just configured a model like this for someone and the extruder steps/mm were in the 90s (like 94).

                        Were you serious with the be leveling comment? Why is bed leveling so difficult for you?

                        Can you post the full config.g file.

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                        • Phaedruxundefined
                          Phaedrux Moderator
                          last edited by

                          It certainly seems like under extrusion in some of the pictures.

                          Can you check your printer setup in Cura to ensure that it's set to use 1.75mm filament and not 2.85mm.

                          Also the temperature tower would be a good idea. We need to verify that your temperatures are accurate, or at least find a temperature where extrusion can happen smoothly.

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators @Veti
                            last edited by

                            @veti said in First Test Print following Duet3d Upgrade:

                            can you print a temperature tower?
                            https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2625999

                            I agree, it looks to me that your test print with the Duet is printed at too high a temperature.

                            Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                            Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                            • B0M0A0Kundefined
                              B0M0A0K @bricor
                              last edited by

                              @bricor Yes, I am using the stock Wanhao Duplicator i3 v2.1 extruder wich is described as;

                              MK10 Single-Extruder (with Steel X-Carriage)

                              Re: Bed leveling. Yeah, kinda am. Its just such and ambiguous process. You can give 4 people the same printer and tell them what to do and they will all assume a different criteria for success. How on earth are you supposed to condense that into anything approaching a fool-proof method.

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                              • bricorundefined
                                bricor
                                last edited by bricor

                                Apologies for going off subject with the bed leveling, but it may be the i3 design that's the issue. Bed leveling is a straight forward procedure on a printer like this and does not require a probe. Delta printers require a bit more to get right and probing makes life easier but also not necessary.

                                To get back on track, print the temp tower and post the results. Interested to see where this goes.

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                                • B0M0A0Kundefined
                                  B0M0A0K
                                  last edited by

                                  @Phaedrux @dc42

                                  I have the print running at what Cura (4.1.0) calls "Extra Fast" the settings for which are as follows;

                                  Resolution: 0.3mm
                                  Print Temp: 190
                                  Print Temp Initial Layer: 190
                                  Initial print temp: 180
                                  Build Plate Temp: 60
                                  Flow: 100%
                                  Retraction enabled
                                  Retraction Distance: 6.5mm
                                  Retraction Speed: 25
                                  Print Speed: 60
                                  Travel Speed: 120
                                  Initial Layer Speed: 30.0
                                  Cooling Enabled
                                  FAN Speed: 100
                                  FAN Regular Speed: 100
                                  FAN Max Speed: 100
                                  Support: No
                                  Build Plate Adhesion: Brim
                                  Brim Width: 8.0
                                  Print Sequence: All At Once

                                  However. The Wanhao Duplicator i3 profile is active in the Cura interface so I'm not sure how much of that it keeps if you choose a Cura based resolution rather than the Wanhao profile (included below).

                                  It's worth mentioning that I used the "Extra Fast" setting to produce the better quality Benchy while the Wanhao i3 was still using the factory Melzi board.

                                  3_1559674614870_Wanhao Printer Profile Settings.png 2_1559674614870_Printer Machine Settings.png 1_1559674614870_Nozzle Settings.png 0_1559674614870_MaterialsPlusSettings.png

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                                  • B0M0A0Kundefined
                                    B0M0A0K
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                                    Let me know if these are too small, I was getting told off by the system earlier for trying to post images that were too large, so have been reducing the images by 50%

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator
                                      last edited by Phaedrux

                                      As I suspected, the screen shot of your machine settings extruder tab show it's using 2.85mm for your filament diameter. Change that to 1.75 or whatever the measured diameter of your filament is.

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                                      • B0M0A0Kundefined
                                        B0M0A0K
                                        last edited by B0M0A0K

                                        @Phaedrux Thanks for spotting that. I am confused about the relationship between the Wanhao profile and the Cura "Extra Fast" setting. Does that suggest that Cura uses the Wanhao profile as the base setting and then applies the Cura Extra Fast setting as a "tuning" of the model to be printed?

                                        By the way, I'm definitely using 1.75 filament.

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                                        • Phaedruxundefined
                                          Phaedrux Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          I don't think the machine setting has much of an effect on the print settings exactly. But it does define the physical properties of the machine.

                                          Either profile you choose will likely work fine ok nice the filament diameter is set correctly.

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                                          • B0M0A0Kundefined
                                            B0M0A0K @Phaedrux
                                            last edited by

                                            @phaedrux Thanks, I will try printing the temp tower and see what happens.

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