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    dc42 administrators
    last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 08:38

    Open a command shell by typing CMD in the search box, then run bossac in that shell.

    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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      Neoxio
      last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 18:51

      Hi to all ๐Ÿ™‚

      first of excuse for mine bad Englishโ€ฆ

      I received today mine duetwifi along with paneldue 7 inch and i have some strange problem with the display, below there is a link to a video showing the issue (u can see some distortions on the whole displaying image like it would "swim" everything is wired according to wiki page and the duetwifi is powered over external 24V power supply). I managed to update the paneldue 7 inch firmware with success but the issue is still there. Please advice. Thanks.

      link to video with issue: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ese8xpaq2f074xs/VID_20161214_191951.mp4?dl=0

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        dc42 administrators
        last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 19:44

        Looks like the display is losing sync. Some of the 7" displays seem to have this fault. As far as I know there is no adjustment on the display panel to correct this, so ask your supplier for a new display.

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          Neoxio
          last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 20:07

          Hmm its been bought over on www.duet3d.com isent this forum a propper place to ask? ๐Ÿ˜ž besides its very strange not to check the electronics before selling it and sending over to a customer.

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            dc42 administrators
            last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 21:15

            I'm sure they do check the electronics, but perhaps they didn't notice the shimmer. Also the shimmer may be temperature-sensitive.

            Tony, can you get a new display sent to this user? If you have him send the old one to me, I will investigate whether it is temperature and/or voltage sensitive.

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              elmoret
              last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 21:59

              I've been looking into this shimmer issue a bit, and it definitely seems dependent on something. One day I hooked a shimmer screen up and observed significant shimmer, and the next day I connected it to a different PanelDue and observed almost no shimmer (had to look very hard to see it). Both times was plugged into just USB power from my laptop, though my laptop could have been powered differently (battery or power adapter) in each case - can't remember.

              What changed? Not sure. Could be temperature, power source, a particular screen/PanelDue combination, or just randomness.

              My point is it is difficult to test properly before shipment, especially until it is understood what triggers the shimmering.

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                Neoxio
                last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 22:15

                Well,

                mine does more like flickering/tearing over the whole image displayed its impossible not to seen this ๐Ÿ˜ž just in case i did check different external power sources connected to duetwifi 12V, 24V or standalone 5V over PC USB its always the same issue, left it on for 1-2h then off for 5h and then powering again same problem its like nothing helps at all. Its does look like there is some noise that interfering the displayed image.

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                  T3P3Tony administrators
                  last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 22:17

                  Neoxio we will arrange for a replacement to be sent through, as David says we will ask for the faulty screen to be returned so we can find out what the cause is.

                  edit: please email think3dprint3d@gmail.com with your order details.

                  www.duet3d.com

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                    Neoxio
                    last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 22:29

                    Hi Tony,

                    i just send u the details for this order.

                    Thank you for the fast help guys.

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                      elmoret
                      last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 22:46

                      @Neoxio:

                      Well,

                      mine does more like flickering/tearing over the whole image displayed its impossible not to seen this

                      Just to clarify - I have a screen that looked exactly like your video one day, and the next day looked nearly perfect. So if it was tested before shipment, it is possible it tested perfectly.

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                        Neoxio
                        last edited by 14 Dec 2016, 23:00

                        Ok i found something if i touch with 1 finger the back of the PCB from the display in the middle the issue is gone display just works perfect if i take the finger off its there again! ๐Ÿ™‚ or if use just a small line of tapeโ€ฆ

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                          T3P3Tony administrators
                          last edited by 15 Dec 2016, 00:08

                          Ahh sounds like a grounding issueโ€ฆ

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                            Neoxio
                            last edited by 15 Dec 2016, 00:15

                            Yea ๐Ÿ™‚ maybe there is a small fix for it? ๐Ÿ˜› just to make it clean there is nothing else connected to the duetwifi just:

                            • external power 24V
                            • paneldue

                            thats all

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                              elmoret
                              last edited by 15 Dec 2016, 04:12

                              Maybe I was holding it wrong. ๐Ÿ˜„

                              www.engadget.com/amp/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding

                              But really the way I was holding it might have been the difference.

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                                elmoret
                                last edited by 15 Dec 2016, 04:20

                                Just tested it, touching the vias on the backside of the LCD's PCB, right before the flat ribbon connector connected to the LCD itself, makes shimmer go away.

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                                  dc42 administrators
                                  last edited by 15 Dec 2016, 06:51

                                  I've noticed that some 4.3 and 5 inch displays have black shielding over part of the ribbon cable. But I've never seen this on a 7 inch display. Maybe an insulated shield over the ribbon cable, or over part of the display panel, would fix it. I can't test this because both my 7 inch displays work perfectly.

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                                    Neoxio
                                    last edited by 15 Dec 2016, 07:43

                                    Mayby Tony can test it ๐Ÿ™‚

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                                      vwegert
                                      last edited by 2 Apr 2017, 16:44 4 Feb 2017, 16:44

                                      I'm seeing the same "ripple" effect with a brand-new 7" display ordered from "here", and I can confirm that touching the back side of the display PCB or the connector temporarily resolves the effect. Since I don't want to make my fingertip a permanent part of my 3D printer, what material would be suitable to add the shielding, grounding or whatever other effect is required?

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                                        dc42 administrators
                                        last edited by 4 Feb 2017, 18:43

                                        The two 7" displays I have don't have this problem, so I don't know what works. You could try putting a piece of aluminium foil on top of the wide Kapton ribbon cable that connects the TFT panel to the PCB, and putting sticky tape over that to hold it in place and make sure it can't short against anything.

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