Duet3D Logo Duet3D
    • Tags
    • Documentation
    • Order
    • Register
    • Login

    broken glass for too strong adesion but still warping

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved
    General Discussion
    6
    17
    724
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • jens55undefined
      jens55 @giostark
      last edited by

      @giostark, I think you might have just revealed the clue about your problem .... a fan. ABS is not happy about being printed in moving air.
      I get my chamber temperature simply from the heat of the build plate.

      giostarkundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • giostarkundefined
        giostark @jens55
        last edited by giostark

        @jens55
        My printer is 1m tall and the air come from the middle to the high direction in a diagonal of 45 degree. The square where come from the air is 4cm x 4cm. But the air is really hot (the resistor is now at 110 degree). Maybe the culprit is the 10% of the part fan that I leave always on that must be turned off?
        I read everywhere that if is totally off the fan generate problems for the overhangs and in general the part come a little distorted.
        But in my case I could have disable because the part didn't had overhang at all...
        I have some more test to do ! Soon as I finished I open that 3d for make all the situation more clear.
        I suspect that 10% of the turbofan on big parts is not good.
        20210612_193200.jpg
        20210707_175550.jpg

        jens55undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
        • MJLewundefined
          MJLew @giostark
          last edited by

          @giostark After a lot of mixed success and failures with ABS and ASA printing I tried FormFutura's Titan X ABS filament. It promised good first layers and no warping and, for me, it delivered both. More expensive (here in Aus) than most ABS filaments but, for me, well worth.

          giostarkundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • giostarkundefined
            giostark @MJLew
            last edited by giostark

            @mjlew
            Thanks for you suggestion I'll make a new try with the black roll I still have.
            In the past I used the ApolloX (ASA) from FomFutura. I have still a new roll to try. I remember that it had less warping but still present. (less than standard ABS for sure but still present). Now I'm using an ASA from the Azure Film and I didn't have idea if is good or not. (it was cheap I bought 4 roll at that time). I have still 4 rolls of this but white color. Could be the next attempt change the filament. I'll buy some new black rolls from FormFutura.

            edit: ordered 3 roll of apolloX black

            Dad003undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • Dad003undefined
              Dad003 @giostark
              last edited by

              @giostark

              I used to use abs juice for adhesion and got same problem switched to magikgoo and now piece pop out when the bed is cold

              1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
              • jens55undefined
                jens55 @giostark
                last edited by

                @giostark said in broken glass for too strong adesion but still warping:

                @jens55
                Maybe the culprit is the 10% of the part fan that I leave always on that must be turned off?

                Turn it off for the first layer !

                giostarkundefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • mrehorstdmdundefined
                  mrehorstdmd
                  last edited by

                  I have printed a LOT of ABS in a 50C chamber without warping. The chamber heater has a low flow fan just to ensure that the air circulates over the heater and well away from the print. It's a corexy printer so the heater is at the bottom of the chamber, far from the print- it might be hard to do that in a delta. I think you want to avoid a lot of air movement at 50C. If you could heat the chamber to the glass transition temperature of the ABS it might be OK to have more air flow, but that's going to require a lot of special work to enable the chamber to get that warm and not ruin other parts of the printer.

                  I use a PEI bed surface and don't have any problems getting ABS prints to stick or to let go. It works for PLA, TPU, and PETG, too.

                  You can buy/make glass that has artistic chips in it- do a search for "glue chip glass". It's an old, well known technique for chipping the surface of glass that the 3D printing world seems to have forgotten about.

                  https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                  • zaptaundefined
                    zapta
                    last edited by

                    You may find this video useful

                    https://youtu.be/eEOaA76WR0Q

                    Large diameter nozzle, high print temperature, slow printing, and draft shield.

                    jens55undefined 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • jens55undefined
                      jens55 @zapta
                      last edited by

                      FYI, I use 250C for nozzle temperature.

                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • giostarkundefined
                        giostark @jens55
                        last edited by

                        @jens55
                        Yep , I usually print the first 3 layer without the 10% ... (fan totally off).
                        @mrehorstdmd
                        Ok understood.
                        @zapta
                        Thanks for the link I'm looking it.
                        @Dad003
                        I could give it a try. But I the list I have to settle other stuff first.

                        Thanks to all for the contribution !

                        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • First post
                          Last post
                        Unless otherwise noted, all forum content is licensed under CC-BY-SA