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    • tecnoundefined
      tecno @Phaedrux
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      @Phaedrux

      home
      move z down to get 0
      g92z0
      A few g30 s-1 to see that it is same
      open config.g
      edit G31 line with offset
      save and M999

      See to that no compensation is active M561
      G29

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      • luca Massimilianoundefined
        luca Massimiliano @luca Massimiliano
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        @luca-Massimiliano NO IT'S NOT ENOUGH I WANT TO SEE THE POINT QUOTAS OF YOUR PRINTING PLATE EACH POINT YOU SEE CORRESPONDS TO 3 CORDINATES OK?

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          luca Massimiliano @tecno
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            • luca Massimilianoundefined
              luca Massimiliano @luca Massimiliano
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              @luca-Massimiliano EVERY POINT IS THE POINT WHERE THE PROBE BEATS OK FRIEND?

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              • luca Massimilianoundefined
                luca Massimiliano @luca Massimiliano
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                @luca-Massimiliano EVERY POINT IS THE POINT WHERE THE PROBE BEATS OK FRIEND?

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                • luca Massimilianoundefined
                  luca Massimiliano @luca Massimiliano
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                  @luca-Massimiliano FRIEND SORRY I HAVE TO GO NOW EXCUSE ME BYE

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                  • luca Massimilianoundefined
                    luca Massimiliano @luca Massimiliano
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                    @luca-Massimiliano Phaedrux KNOWS MUCH MORE THAN I

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                    • Phaedruxundefined
                      Phaedrux Moderator @tecno
                      last edited by Phaedrux

                      @tecno said in Z 0 is positive:

                      save and M999
                      See to that no compensation is active M561
                      G29

                      Try doing a single G30 at the center of the bed before sending G29 to create the mesh.

                      You should probably also redo your G32 first.

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                      • tecnoundefined
                        tecno @Phaedrux
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                        @Phaedrux

                        After a lot of tweaking this looks to be the best I can get.
                        Every adjustment of the plate (3-points) a G32 is a must, G30 and then G29.
                        Picture below is with 60°C heated bed.

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                        New 8mm thick fine milled cast aluminium plate Ø600mm, what can I expect to get in flatness?

                        Cheers
                        Bengt

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                        • infiniteloopundefined
                          infiniteloop @tecno
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                          @tecno

                          8mm thick fine milled cast aluminium plate Ø600mm, what can I expect to get in flatness?

                          That’s a good flatness, except of the front/left and rear/right - hmmm - "corners"?. For a Delta, a square grid as you’ve pictured is inappropriate. See M557: Set Z probe point or define probing grid for details. Instead of defining the grid by X/Y, use R to set a radius.

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                          • tecnoundefined
                            tecno @infiniteloop
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                            @infiniteloop
                            M557 R225 S75 it is

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                            • infiniteloopundefined
                              infiniteloop @tecno
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                              @tecno

                              M557 R225 S75 it is

                              Within the radius of 225 mm, some points cannot be reached by the probe without mechanical problems. These are not related to the bed but probably to issues with your motion system - to spot these areas, narrow-down your mesh to an S value of 20 or similar. In the next step, you can either solve the issues (but maybe these are inherent to a Delta) or minimise the probing radius in order to get a proper mesh which merely represents the surface of your bed, excluding other factors. Else, you can’t use the result for mesh bed levelling.

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                              • tecnoundefined
                                tecno @infiniteloop
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                                Can somebody explain what @infiniteloop is trying to say as I can not grasp this?

                                @infiniteloop said in Z 0 is positive:

                                For a Delta, a square grid as you’ve pictured is inappropriate

                                @infiniteloop said in Z 0 is positive:

                                Else, you can’t use the result for mesh bed levelling.

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                                • infiniteloopundefined
                                  infiniteloop @tecno
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                                  @tecno said in Z 0 is positive:

                                  Can somebody explain …

                                  Sigh! Let me explain: you published this grid:

                                  Bildschirmfoto 2022-12-13 um 00.36.42.png

                                  That grid is square - to be precise, it has a dimension of 5x5 points. This doesn't match your circular bed very well. That's why I think you might get a better picture using smaller S values, something like this: M557 R225 S20

                                  OK, that's just to draw a better map of your casted print plate. It should cover a larger area than what you get with your current 75 mm raster. Had you ever followed the hint from my first post, you would know what I'm talking about 😊

                                  Now, let's talk about the mechanics:

                                  Bildschirmfoto 2022-12-13 um 00.36.42.png

                                  These two spots don't match the idea of a cast aluminum plate. There must be other reasons. If you follow my advice to generate a more narrow grid, chances are high that you will see even more of these "deviations".

                                  Well, I think these "anomalies" at the edge of your printable area point at mechanical problems (or physical limitations) of your Delta …

                                  … which puts our conversation into kind of a loop (as my nick name implies, I love these): after you have performed and published a better (more narrow) mesh, let's have a new look at my latest post (11.Dec 2022, 17:49).

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                                  • tecnoundefined
                                    tecno @infiniteloop
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                                    @infiniteloop
                                    S20
                                    Too many grid points; suggest increase spacing to 22.5mm

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                                    • infiniteloopundefined
                                      infiniteloop @tecno
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                                      @tecno said in Z 0 is positive:

                                      Too many grid points; suggest increase spacing to 22.5mm

                                      … or 25 mm - the important thing is to be able to observe the edge of the print bed. Alas, the new mesh looks somehow tilted: what makes it different from your first posted grid (other than mesh-spacing and heated vs. unheated bed)? Improper levelling? I can only guess, I'm no Delta expert at all 😞

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                                      • Phaedruxundefined
                                        Phaedrux Moderator
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                                        When in doubt, return to the basics.

                                        https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Machine_configuration/Configuration_linear_delta

                                        https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Tuning/Delta_calibration

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                                        • tecnoundefined
                                          tecno @infiniteloop
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                                          @infiniteloop said in Z 0 is positive:

                                          Improper levelling?

                                          Looks like I need to tweak the thermal expansion move as I get different results each time.
                                          The 3 balls on my bed adjusters need to move in another direction.

                                          So I will look at having 1 fixed and the two others moving freely in expansion direction from center of this aluminium bed. Any thoughts ?

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                                          • Phaedruxundefined
                                            Phaedrux Moderator @tecno
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                                            @tecno said in Z 0 is positive:

                                            1 fixed and the two others moving freely in expansion direction from center

                                            Search out kinematic couplings.

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