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    T3P3Tony administrators
    last edited by T3P3Tony 19 Feb 2020, 01:35

    The listing for the Duet 3 tool board is now up here:

    https://www.duet3d.com/Duet3Toolboard1LC

    The first batch is finishing off testing at the manufacturers and will be with us this week but we though we should get the listing open a few days early as some people have been very keen to get their hands on these! We only did a small initial run to gauge interest so I will wait a few days before advertising more widely so you all on the forums have a head-start to grab one (or 4).

    Also up is the tool distribution board which makes wiring a lot simpler:
    https://www.duet3d.com/Duet3ToolDistribution

    As a thank you for being so patient, for a limited time only, if you put your forum name in the order comments we will add a connector pack to the order for free (no need to select the connector pack option. Obviously if you buy the 4 board bundle you get the connector packs added on anyway.

    There is initial documentation here:
    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Tool_Board

    www.duet3d.com

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      T3P3Tony administrators
      last edited by 19 Feb 2020, 01:38

      WOW that was quick! (you know who you are 😁 )

      www.duet3d.com

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        mundsen
        last edited by 19 Feb 2020, 08:40

        I`m going to use Duet3 + ToolBoard

        Then I have to get a RJ11 cable (the cable kit includethe other wires I need?)
        Add a 5A (car fuse) for the power wires
        Terminate the CanBus using a 120 Ohm resistor? where? between pin 3-4?

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          dc42 administrators @mundsen
          last edited by dc42 19 Feb 2020, 09:09

          @mundsen said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

          Terminate the CanBus using a 120 Ohm resistor? where? between pin 3-4?

          Yes, between pins 3-4 of the 4-pin CAN connector on the Tool Board.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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            A Former User
            last edited by 19 Feb 2020, 16:25

            @T3P3Tony

            Is there a better picture of the connector pack available ?

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              mundsen @dc42
              last edited by mundsen 19 Feb 2020, 17:49

              @dc42 all 4 wires from duet 3 connected or only 1 and 2

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                A Former User @mundsen
                last edited by 19 Feb 2020, 18:59

                @mundsen said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                @dc42 all 4 wires from duet 3 connected or only 1 and 2

                does this answer the question?
                https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Duet3D/Hardware/master/Duet3/Duet3_MB6HC_schematic_v1.0.pdf

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                  dc42 administrators @mundsen
                  last edited by T3P3Tony 19 Feb 2020, 20:41

                  @mundsen said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                  @dc42 all 4 wires from duet 3 connected or only 1 and 2

                  If using one tool board: connect pins 3 and 4 (the middle 2 pins) of the RJ11 connector on the Duet to pins 4 and 3 of the tool board, making sure you get them the right way round i.e. CAN1_H in the Duet to CANH on the tool board, and connect a 120R termination resistor between pins 1 and 2 of the connector on the tool board. [Pins 2 and 4 of the tool board are interchangable, as are pins 1 and 3.] Don't connect anything to pins 2 and 5 of the RJ11 connector on the Duet.

                  To clarify this, I've uploaded the tool breakout (distribution) board schematic to:
                  https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Tool-Distribution-Board/tree/master/Tool Distribution v0.5

                  (edited by T3P3Tony to point to new locations for Duet 3 Schematics)

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                    A Former User @dc42
                    last edited by A Former User 20 Feb 2020, 16:20

                    If using one tool board: connect pins 3 and 4 (the middle 2 pins) of the RJ11 connector on the Duet to pins 4 and 3 of the tool board, making sure you get them the right way round i.e. CAN1_H in the Duet to CANH on the tool board, and connect a 120R termination resistor between pins 1 and 2 of the connector on the tool board. [Pins 2 and 4 of the tool board are interchangable, as are pins 1 and 3.] Don't connect anything to pins 2 and 5 of the RJ11 connector on the Duet.

                    To clarify this, I've uploaded the tool breakout (distribution) board schematic to https://github.com/Duet3D/Hardware/tree/master/Duet3.

                    And in case anyone is wondering why a resistor is required. have a read of the following link Terminal Resistor

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                      Danal
                      last edited by 20 Feb 2020, 18:02

                      @CaLviNx I originally read you "wondering why... " as just "why...". You linked to a good source!

                      I'll add this thought to re-enforce the potential effects!

                      The resistors stop reflections at the end(s) of the cable. Often, on short cables, the bus will seem to run OK without them.

                      However... Suppose your printer works great, and unknown to you is right on the edge of signal reflection corrupting the CAN bus. Then days or even months down the road, the temperature/humidity changes, or the connection changes (maybe it gets better)... and, bang, the printer starts acting completely flakey and unreliable.

                      Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                        tekkydave
                        last edited by 20 Feb 2020, 19:18

                        Anyone old enough to remember SCSI hard disk? They had a SIP resistor pack in the last drive on the 50w ribbon cable.

                        ~ tekkydave ~
                        D-Bot: 300x300mm | Duet WiFi + Duex2 | 3 independent z motors | X,Y & Z linear rails | E3D Titan Aero + V6 | Precision Piezo z-probe
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                          Dougal1957 @tekkydave
                          last edited by 20 Feb 2020, 19:21

                          @tekkydave More than old enough lol and still work on kit that use SCSI Buses so well aware of bus terminations

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                            timcurtis67 @tekkydave
                            last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 14:00

                            @tekkydave said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                            Anyone old enough to remember SCSI hard disk? They had a SIP resistor pack in the last drive on the 50w ribbon cable.

                            I must be old, I remember the IDE drives and even 5 1/4" floppies... 😀

                            But I never used the big 8" stuff... 😀 😀

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                              Dougal1957 @timcurtis67
                              last edited by Dougal1957 21 Feb 2020, 14:14

                              @timcurtis67 you never worked PDP11's then? Mind I can go back even further to the times of an IBM 1130 which used EBCDIC punched cards or a frantic Argos 500 with handlers and punched tape.

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                                mundsen
                                last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 16:30

                                ToolBoard v6.png

                                Anyone having the stp files for the 3 and 4 pin JST ZH + the 6 pin (stepper output) + the button?

                                I`m making a simple (not 100% accurate) ToolBoard 3D model that I can use in my designs + when designing a housing for it

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                                  dc42 administrators @timcurtis67
                                  last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 17:17

                                  @timcurtis67 said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                                  @tekkydave said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                                  Anyone old enough to remember SCSI hard disk? They had a SIP resistor pack in the last drive on the 50w ribbon cable.

                                  I must be old, I remember the IDE drives and even 5 1/4" floppies... 😀

                                  But I never used the big 8" stuff... 😀 😀

                                  I did! [Cue "You were lucky!" spoken with a Yorkshire accent].

                                  I also remember when we asked one of our customers for a copy of their backup disks (this was before email) so we could diagnose the issue they reported. Next day it arrived by post... a perfect photocopy of a pair of 8" floppy disks!

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    zapta @dc42
                                    last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 17:58

                                    @dc42 said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                                    a perfect photocopy of a pair of 8" floppy disks!

                                    A page with pixels and a 8"" floppy represent about the same number of bits. 😉

                                    Seriously, I may missed it, what are the dimension of this board?

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                                      dc42 administrators @zapta
                                      last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 18:11

                                      @zapta said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                                      Seriously, I may missed it, what are the dimension of this board?

                                      As shown at https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Duet_3_Tool_Board.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        daavery @dc42
                                        last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 21:04

                                        @dc42 https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh33zxsda53bvhv/2020-02-21 13.56.06.jpg?dl=0 look familiar?

                                        https://www.dropbox.com/s/oamu8uhdz134qj6/2020-02-21 13.55.32.jpg?dl=0 from our antique computing pile at work

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                                          dc42 administrators @daavery
                                          last edited by 21 Feb 2020, 21:09

                                          @daavery said in Duet 3 Tool Board:

                                          @dc42 https://www.dropbox.com/s/eh33zxsda53bvhv/2020-02-21 13.56.06.jpg?dl=0 look familiar?

                                          https://www.dropbox.com/s/oamu8uhdz134qj6/2020-02-21 13.55.32.jpg?dl=0 from our antique computing pile at work

                                          Double sided 8 inch floppy? Luxury!

                                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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