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    • skezoundefined
      skezo
      last edited by

      @JoergS5 Thanks, running a print now on my current settings and seeing a few hiccups when running M122.

      Hiccups: 176(0), FreeDm: 163, MinFreeDm: 143, MaxWait: 226ms
      

      Going to try switching to 16 micro steps with interpolation as you suggested and run it again.

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      • skezoundefined
        skezo
        last edited by skezo

        I switched the M350 to 16 micro steps with interpolation and reduce the values of M92, M203 and M566 but getting similar results. The gaps/holes seem to happen in the same area each print.

        Updated driver details in config.g:

        M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                          ; configure microstepping with interpolation
        M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z80.00 E117.36                 ; set steps per mm
        M566 X600.00 Y600.00 Z600.00 E450.00             ; set maximum instantaneous speed (jerk) changes (mm/min)
        M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z6000.00 E6000.00         ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
        M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E1000.00         ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
        M906 X450 Y450 Z450 E400 I30                     ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
        

        IMG_20200726_221635.jpg

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        • JoergS5undefined
          JoergS5 @skezo
          last edited by JoergS5

          @skezo what does M122 say? Are the hiccups gone?

          The values were wrong, so you should leave the new values, even if the holes are still there.

          You say the holes are at the same location. One possibility for test would be to rotate the object and reprint (+ maybe print at different print bed location). If the holes are still at the same location, it is a problem with the STL object. If they are at different locations then, it is a printer or configuration problem.
          Rotation would mean the labels XYZ are not correct any more, you should mark the print object with the correct directions after the print.

          The holes can come from underextrusion, you should check the extrusion parameter (the test to print 100 mm eg and verify your M92 E setting).

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          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator
            last edited by

            Under extrusion seems likely. Possibly unstable hotend temps.

            PID tune the hotend and bed heaters, re calibrate the extruder.

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            • skezoundefined
              skezo
              last edited by

              @JoergS5 @Phaedrux
              Hiccups seem to be gone now. Ran M122 every few mins during the print. Each time the following was returned: Hiccups: 0(0).

              I re-calibrated the extruder (updated M92 E118.68).

              I re-ran PID tune for the hotend.

              I then rotated the STL file and re-printed it (see below). The gaps seem to be in the exact same place as the non rotated prints.

              xyzCalibration_cube.gcode
              calb_cube._v2.jpg

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              • JoergS5undefined
                JoergS5 @skezo
                last edited by JoergS5

                @skezo I am not a specialist to handle filament (PETG) problems and cannot help further. But there are many users here who have a lot of experience.

                To get the attraction of PETG specialist, you could rename the title of this thread to include PETG. The title has a display problem with the and symbol anyway.

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                • felt342undefined
                  felt342
                  last edited by

                  I think your retraction speed is way too high, try 70mm/s.

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                  • skezoundefined
                    skezo @JoergS5
                    last edited by

                    @JoergS5 thanks for the help, getting rid of the hiccups has helped a lot. Unfortunately I cannot edit the title of the post after a certain time period.

                    @felt342 thanks will try that now

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                    • arhiundefined
                      arhi
                      last edited by

                      try few other slicers and compare results

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                      • skezoundefined
                        skezo
                        last edited by

                        @felt342 lowering retraction speed had no impact. I also disabled pressure advance and tried a few different variations but also did not have an impact.

                        @arhi good idea. I am currently using PrusaSlicer will try another one now.

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                        • felt342undefined
                          felt342 @skezo
                          last edited by

                          @skezo Is it only happen with PETG? Could be it has too much moisture in it?

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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator
                            last edited by Phaedrux

                            Are you running the part cooling fan too high for PETG?

                            Do you have different filament to test with?

                            Even though you've tuned the extruder can you also try increasing the extrusion factor to see if the gaps are reduced?

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                            • skezoundefined
                              skezo @Phaedrux
                              last edited by

                              @Phaedrux

                              Setting the extrusion factor to 0.95 or above removes the gaps but when I run the extrusion multiplier calibration that value I get is 0.86 (this prints the walls at the correct width but has under extrusion). How can I balance extrusion with accuracy?

                              calb_cube._v3.jpg

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by

                                Filling the proper extrusion volume is a combination of the amount of plastic coming out of the nozzle and the distance from the nozzle to the surface being printed on. If the Z axis steps per mm is slightly off you could have a greater gap than expected leading to the appearance of underextrusion.

                                @skezo said in Trying to remove tiny holes/gaps on layers...:

                                but when I run the extrusion multiplier calibration

                                How exactly are you doing that?

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                                • skezoundefined
                                  skezo @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by

                                  @Phaedrux

                                  If I set the extrusion multiplier to 0.86 I can see the nozzle laying beads of filament on some layers (see below image). Which is what I think is causing the gaps in the calibration cube.

                                  For extrusion multiplier calibration I have been printing 40mm cube in vase mode and 40 mm cube with a single vertical perimeter. Then measuring the wall thickness with calipers.
                                  Extrusion multiplier = Old Extrusion Multiplier * (Expected Thickness/Measured Thickness)

                                  wall_v1.jpg

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                                  • Phaedruxundefined
                                    Phaedrux Moderator
                                    last edited by

                                    Perhaps give this calibration method a try.

                                    https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Guide/Ender+3+Pro+and+Duet+Maestro+Guide+Part+4:+Calibration/40

                                    What is the filament path like? Does the filament feed smoothly or is there friction and resistance?

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