Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation

Jayson

my bed is warped and I have plans to fix it but g29 shouldnt have any trouble compensating that.

here is the start of the gcode i was using. it came from the teaching tech websight.

; G-Code originally generated by Simplify3D(R) Version 4.1.2, based on proposed code by vector76
;M80 ; power supply on
G90
M82
M106 S0
M140 S60 ; custom bed temp
M190 S60 ; custom bed temp
M104 S200 T1 ; custom hot end temp
M109 S200 T1 ; custom hot end temp
G28 ; home all axes
G29 ; probe ABL
;M420 S1 ; restore ABL mesh
; custom start gcode
; process Color1
; layer 1, Z = 0.200
;T1
G92 E0.0000
G1 E-1 F2400 ; custom retraction

PCR

What Kind of probe are you using?

The negative value in the G31 looks strange.

Have you done the offset calibration?

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe#Section_Calibrate_the_Z_probe_trigger_height

The Offset is different than for marlin.

Jayson

@PCR I did an offset calibration.
My printer is tool changing so I mounted a simple micro switch to my carriage.
When I pick a tool the nozzle hangs down about 4mm below the trigger hight.
So it's a negative value of around 4mm

PCR

Ah ok then this make Sense!

Veti

@Jayson

M350 X256 Y256 Z128 I0 ; configure microstepping without interpolation

this will overload the cpu. unless there is a specific reason, you should go with x16 and interpolation.

G31 P500 X0 Y50 Z-4.09 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

as jason said, negative values this big would bean the nozzle goes 4mm into the bed before the probe activates

also make sure what the offset is correct. is you probe really 50mm behind the nozzle?

M558 P5 C"^zprobe.in" H2 F900 T24000 ; set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds

P8 is preferred to P5 unless you really need the filtering

Jayson

@Veti you lost me at interpolation....
I would really appreciate it if you could type out the replacement command for M350 X256 Y256 Z128 I0. Then I can just copy, paste and call you a genius

I can handle switching P5 and P8.

And yes my probe it really 50mm behind and 4.09mm above my nozzle. I just have to make sure that no tool is mounted when I probe.

Veti

@Jayson said in Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation:

And yes my probe it really 50mm behind and 4.09mm above my nozzle. I just have to make sure that no tool is mounted when I probe.

can you post a picture of the assembly?

change the steps like this

M350 X16 Y16 Z16 I1 ; configure microstepping without interpolation
M92 X80 Y80 Z900 E420.00:1888.21:420.00:420.00 ; set steps per mm

However. when converting the numbers back i realized the Z900 is very strange.
What kind of z setup do you have?
Common values are 400 (most printers tr8x8)
800 (sfu1204)
1600 (tr8x2)

Jayson

@Veti I implemented your changes and it solved a few problems. Something was holding back my top speeds and I guess it was an over loaded cpu.

Trying a test print now.

The few extra z steps are from a slight gear reduction by a belt from my z stepper to my lead screws

Thanks a lot for the help. I will post again when the test print is completed

Jayson

here is a picture of what I'm going to refer to as my chuck, without a tool and ready for probing.

the second picture is with a custom machined water cooled cold end with a v6 and zesty nimble. (still vary much a work in progress)

Jayson

still having the problem....

this picture is from my most recent test.
as you can see two are too close and three are too far.

gloomyandy

Are those the actual locations where the cubes were printed or did you move them?

Veti

post a picture of your heightmap

Jayson

I kept the same orientation, just moved them in close for the picture

Jayson

I have tried the print with the heat bed off at room temperature to eliminate thermal expansion but still the same result.

I have also shimmed the low side of the bet up 3 mm to drastically alter the bed mesh and the prints come out looking the exact same.

Jayson

Screenshot (1).png

it is a 500x500 bed with a silicone heater and buildtak flex plate.
it has a 1/4" T6 6061 aluminum plate that I sheared from a piece of scrap at work. It defiantly has some warp that I am working to physically straighten now.

Veti

@Jayson said in Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation:

it has a 1/4" T6 6061 aluminum plate that I sheared from a piece of scrap at work.

that is not thick enough for a 500x500 build plate. as you can see from the sagging heightmap.
see this recent discussion
https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/19398/height-map-500mmx500mmx4mm-aluminium-build-plate

your testprint is not even good in the center. so you have not dialed in the z trigger height well enouch.
adjust with babystepping while printing until you get a good first layer, then adjust the offset with the babystep value.

also measure the z probe trigger heigh in each of the corners.
i would assume for your build they are different.
this can be due different factors.
one possibility for your printer with such a large print area is sagging axis due to its own weight, which introduces rotation of the carriage. this causes varying probing offset.

one way to compensate for that is use a probe that uses the nozzle like a precision piezo

jay_s_uk

I would suggest moving your z probe to be X0, Y0 and Z0.
From there, you can set the tool offsets using G10.
It makes working everything out so much easier.
You can than use TAMV to calculate the X and Y offsets of each tool in relation to the z probe.
That's how I have my toolchanger set up.

JamesM

@Jayson said in Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation:

belt

Off the topic of your mesh issue, you should really get rid of those steel core belts on your printer. From the pictures you posted earlier your idlers/pulleys are too small for a steel core belt and will cause you serious grief in the future. I don't know the exact diameter minimum but I would guess you need at a minimum a 20-25mm diameter pulley/idler to use steel core belts.

Jayson

@Veti I suppose the rest of the world isn't messed up like Saskatchewan Canada were we use metric and imperial measurements so I will just try to keep to metric from now on. the base of my printer is an 840x840x6.5mm aluminum plate with 20x20 extrusions around the perimeter. my bed is 535x535x6.5 hard mounted in the middle of the bed. I am adding jacking bolts between the two plates hoping to dial in the flatness of my bed. I can true the bed to the frame then adjust a lead screw on all four corners of my gantry to be parallel to the bed and let auto mesh handle the rest .

Jayson

@jay_s_uk i will have to keep this in mind when i get to that stage of the build