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    • PCRundefined
      PCR
      last edited by

      Please Post your config.g and a Sample gcode aswell as the heighmap.csv

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      • Jaysonundefined
        Jayson
        last edited by

        config.g
        heightmap.csv

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        • Jaysonundefined
          Jayson
          last edited by

          my bed is warped and I have plans to fix it but g29 shouldnt have any trouble compensating that.

          here is the start of the gcode i was using. it came from the teaching tech websight.

          ; G-Code originally generated by Simplify3D(R) Version 4.1.2, based on proposed code by vector76
          ;M80 ; power supply on
          G90
          M82
          M106 S0
          M140 S60 ; custom bed temp
          M190 S60 ; custom bed temp
          M104 S200 T1 ; custom hot end temp
          M109 S200 T1 ; custom hot end temp
          G28 ; home all axes
          G29 ; probe ABL
          ;M420 S1 ; restore ABL mesh
          ; custom start gcode
          ; process Color1
          ; layer 1, Z = 0.200
          ;T1
          G92 E0.0000
          G1 E-1 F2400 ; custom retraction

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          • PCRundefined
            PCR
            last edited by

            What Kind of probe are you using?

            The negative value in the G31 looks strange.

            Have you done the offset calibration?

            https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe#Section_Calibrate_the_Z_probe_trigger_height

            The Offset is different than for marlin.

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            • Jaysonundefined
              Jayson @PCR
              last edited by

              @PCR I did an offset calibration.
              My printer is tool changing so I mounted a simple micro switch to my carriage.
              When I pick a tool the nozzle hangs down about 4mm below the trigger hight.
              So it's a negative value of around 4mm

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              • PCRundefined
                PCR
                last edited by

                Ah ok then this make Sense!

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                • Vetiundefined
                  Veti @Jayson
                  last edited by

                  @Jayson

                  M350 X256 Y256 Z128 I0 ; configure microstepping without interpolation

                  this will overload the cpu. unless there is a specific reason, you should go with x16 and interpolation.

                  G31 P500 X0 Y50 Z-4.09 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height

                  as jason said, negative values this big would bean the nozzle goes 4mm into the bed before the probe activates

                  also make sure what the offset is correct. is you probe really 50mm behind the nozzle?

                  M558 P5 C"^zprobe.in" H2 F900 T24000 ; set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds

                  P8 is preferred to P5 unless you really need the filtering

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                  • Jaysonundefined
                    Jayson @Veti
                    last edited by

                    @Veti you lost me at interpolation....
                    I would really appreciate it if you could type out the replacement command for M350 X256 Y256 Z128 I0. Then I can just copy, paste and call you a genius 😁

                    I can handle switching P5 and P8.

                    And yes my probe it really 50mm behind and 4.09mm above my nozzle. I just have to make sure that no tool is mounted when I probe.

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                    • Vetiundefined
                      Veti @Jayson
                      last edited by

                      @Jayson said in Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation:

                      And yes my probe it really 50mm behind and 4.09mm above my nozzle. I just have to make sure that no tool is mounted when I probe.

                      can you post a picture of the assembly?

                      change the steps like this

                      M350 X16 Y16 Z16 I1 ; configure microstepping without interpolation
                      M92 X80 Y80 Z900 E420.00:1888.21:420.00:420.00 ; set steps per mm

                      However. when converting the numbers back i realized the Z900 is very strange.
                      What kind of z setup do you have?
                      Common values are 400 (most printers tr8x8)
                      800 (sfu1204)
                      1600 (tr8x2)

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                      • Jaysonundefined
                        Jayson @Veti
                        last edited by

                        @Veti I implemented your changes and it solved a few problems. Something was holding back my top speeds and I guess it was an over loaded cpu.

                        Trying a test print now.

                        The few extra z steps are from a slight gear reduction by a belt from my z stepper to my lead screws

                        Thanks a lot for the help. I will post again when the test print is completed

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                        • Jaysonundefined
                          Jayson
                          last edited by

                          IMG_20201113_093229.jpg IMG_20201113_091147.jpg

                          here is a picture of what I'm going to refer to as my chuck, without a tool and ready for probing.

                          the second picture is with a custom machined water cooled cold end with a v6 and zesty nimble. (still vary much a work in progress)

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                          • Jaysonundefined
                            Jayson
                            last edited by

                            still having the problem.... 😢

                            this picture is from my most recent test.
                            as you can see two are too close and three are too far.IMG_20201113_101604.jpg

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                            • gloomyandyundefined
                              gloomyandy
                              last edited by

                              Are those the actual locations where the cubes were printed or did you move them?

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti
                                last edited by

                                post a picture of your heightmap

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                                • Jaysonundefined
                                  Jayson
                                  last edited by

                                  I kept the same orientation, just moved them in close for the picture

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                                  • Jaysonundefined
                                    Jayson
                                    last edited by

                                    I have tried the print with the heat bed off at room temperature to eliminate thermal expansion but still the same result.

                                    I have also shimmed the low side of the bet up 3 mm to drastically alter the bed mesh and the prints come out looking the exact same.

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                                    • Jaysonundefined
                                      Jayson
                                      last edited by

                                      Screenshot (1).png

                                      it is a 500x500 bed with a silicone heater and buildtak flex plate.
                                      it has a 1/4" T6 6061 aluminum plate that I sheared from a piece of scrap at work. It defiantly has some warp that I am working to physically straighten now.

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                                      • Vetiundefined
                                        Veti @Jayson
                                        last edited by Veti

                                        @Jayson said in Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation:

                                        it has a 1/4" T6 6061 aluminum plate that I sheared from a piece of scrap at work.

                                        that is not thick enough for a 500x500 build plate. as you can see from the sagging heightmap.
                                        see this recent discussion
                                        https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/19398/height-map-500mmx500mmx4mm-aluminium-build-plate

                                        your testprint is not even good in the center. so you have not dialed in the z trigger height well enouch.
                                        adjust with babystepping while printing until you get a good first layer, then adjust the offset with the babystep value.

                                        also measure the z probe trigger heigh in each of the corners.
                                        i would assume for your build they are different.
                                        this can be due different factors.
                                        one possibility for your printer with such a large print area is sagging axis due to its own weight, which introduces rotation of the carriage. this causes varying probing offset.

                                        one way to compensate for that is use a probe that uses the nozzle like a precision piezo

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                                        • jay_s_ukundefined
                                          jay_s_uk @Veti
                                          last edited by

                                          I would suggest moving your z probe to be X0, Y0 and Z0.
                                          From there, you can set the tool offsets using G10.
                                          It makes working everything out so much easier.
                                          You can than use TAMV to calculate the X and Y offsets of each tool in relation to the z probe.
                                          That's how I have my toolchanger set up.

                                          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                          • JamesMundefined
                                            JamesM
                                            last edited by

                                            @Jayson said in Need help! G29 mesh bed compensation over compensation:

                                            belt

                                            Off the topic of your mesh issue, you should really get rid of those steel core belts on your printer. From the pictures you posted earlier your idlers/pulleys are too small for a steel core belt and will cause you serious grief in the future. I don't know the exact diameter minimum but I would guess you need at a minimum a 20-25mm diameter pulley/idler to use steel core belts.

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