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    • sebkritikelundefined
      sebkritikel
      last edited by

      Few tenths of a millimeter? Anything like this:
      https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/2020/12/x-axis-wobble-in-ummd.html

      Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
      Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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      • martin7404undefined
        martin7404 @sebkritikel
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        @sebkritikel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImSpw3hpFJg

        Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
        Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
        Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
        custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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        • sebkritikelundefined
          sebkritikel
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          @martin7404 said in Dual Markforged :idle IDEX carriage is not still during print:

          Muldex

          Looks very similar to what I suspected. Forgive me, as I am not an expert in the Markforged kinematics system (or even CoreXY at that). Can you spot any errant rotation on the U-stepper motor during those motion changes?

          The response of the U axis is consistent with the direction changes on combined tool 0 motion - mechanical, belt, etc? Unfortunately I don't have any specifics tips I could offer you at this time.

          Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
          Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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          • martin7404undefined
            martin7404 @sebkritikel
            last edited by

            @sebkritikel Yes everything looks OK. There is more it exactly the same when U is printing and X have to be idle, then X is making the same small movement back and forth. So I suspect a problem with one of the Y motors setup or in the electronics

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            • sebkritikelundefined
              sebkritikel @martin7404
              last edited by

              @martin7404 Maybe a long shot, but can you try tweaking the
              M84 S120 ; Set idle timeout
              command? S1000? Just a guess

              Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
              Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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              • o_lampeundefined
                o_lampe @martin7404
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                @martin7404 said in Dual Markforged :idle IDEX carriage is not still during print:

                M350 X16 U16 Y16 Z16 E16:16 I1

                Maybe I'm wrong, but IMHO the U-axis specs (and other axis, if there are any) have to come after Z-axis.
                Not sure, if that was M350-related or another command...
                Better do it in the right order in every command.

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                • martin7404undefined
                  martin7404
                  last edited by martin7404

                  It is getting more and more interesting.
                  Today moved the Z motors to Wifi and X,Y,Y and u on DUEX
                  And my center Z , connected on P2 is not working, switched to P0 same story, made a mistake in updating config and it works look at this config.g, it is working properly, but it should not

                  G90                                             ; send absolute coordinates...
                  M83                                             ; ...but relative extruder moves
                  M550 P"Muldex"                                  ; set printer name
                  
                  
                  ; Network
                  M552 S1                                        ; enable network
                  M586 P0 S1                                      ; enable HTTP
                  M586 P1 S0                                      ; disable FTP
                  M586 P2 S0                                      ; disable Telnet
                  
                  ; Drives
                  ;M569 P0 S0                                     ; X physical drive 0 goes backwards
                  M569 P1 S1 ; Z
                  M569 P2 S1
                  M569 P3 S0
                  ;M569 P1 S0                                     ; Y right physical drive 1 goes backwards
                  ;M569 P2 S1                                      ; Y left physical drive 2 goes forwards
                  ;M569 P3 S1                                      ; U physical drive 3 goes forwards
                  M569 P4 S1                                     ; E1 physical drive 4 goes backwards
                  M569 P5 S0 ; X
                  M569 P6 S1 ; Y right
                  M569 P7 S0 ; Y left
                  ;M569 P5 S1                                      ; Z left physical drive 5 goes backwards
                  ;M569 P6 S1                                     ; Z center physical drive 6 goes backwards
                  ;M569 P7 S0                                      ; Z right physical drive 7 goes forwards
                  M569 P8 S1                                      ; E2 physical drive 8 goes forwards
                  M569 P9 S1 ; U
                  
                  M584 X5 Y6:7 U9 Z1:0:3 E4:8                     ; set drive mapping
                  
                  M350 X16 U16 Y16 Z16 E16:16 I1                                                           ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                  M92 X100 U100 Y100 Z799.2:799.2:799.2 E813.07:830.00                        ; set steps per mm (1760nimble)
                  M566 X600.00 U600.00 Y600.00 Z80.00:80.00:80.00 E100.00:100.00                ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)(Nimble 40)
                  M203 X12000.00 U12000.00 Y12000.00 Z1000.00:1000.00:1000.00 E4200.00:4200.00    ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                  M201 X800.00 U800.00 Y800.00 Z350.00:350.00:350.00 E600.00:600.00                    ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)(500)(Nimble 120)
                  M906  Y700 Z700:700:700 E1000:1000 I50                                        ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent(Nimble 500)
                  M906 X700 U700  I50   
                  M84 S120                                                                                  ; Set idle timeout
                  
                  ; Axis Limits
                  M208 X-18 Y0 U40 Z0 S1                          ; set axis min - adjust X to align nozzle
                  M208 X350 U422.7 Y333 Z300 S0                   ; set axis max 
                  
                  M669 K0 Y1:1:0:1				                ; select Markforged Kinematics Y to react with X and U
                  
                  ; Endstops
                  M574 X1 S1 P"xstop"                             ;X axis active high endstop switch
                  ;M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop+e1stop"                      ;Y Double max active high endstop switch
                  M574 Y1 S4 ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on Y
                  ;M574 Y1 S4 ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on Y
                  M574 U2 S1 P"e0stop"                            ;U axis active high endstop switch
                  ;M574 Z2 S4
                  
                  ;Stall Detection(no used)
                  ;M574 Y1 S4                                     ; Y axis stall detection
                  ;M915 P1:9 S3 F1 R0                             ; Y axis stall detection
                  
                  ; Z-Probe
                  M671 X-20.6:200:420.6 Y14.3:333.3:14.3 S10       ; Locations left, center, right          
                  M950 S0 C"duex.e6heat"                          ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
                  M558 P9 C"zprobe.in+zprobe.mod" H10 F600 A1 T8000   ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds 
                  G31 P25 X-29 Y0 Z0.80                          ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height(lower number farther away)1.8build 1.7glass 
                  M557 X10:320 Y20:290 S60                       ; probe from X=10 to 390, Y=10 to 290mm with a mesh spacing of 20mm
                  
                  ; Heaters
                  M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4534 C9.565227e-8      ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                  M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0                                            ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                  M143 H0 S120                                                     ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                  M307 H0 B0 S1.00                                                 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                  M140 H0                                                          ; map heated bed to heater 0
                  M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C0 R4700  ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                  M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1                                             ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                  M143 H1 S280                                                     ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                  M307 H1 B0 S1.00                                                 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                  M308 S2 P"e1temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C0 R4700 ; configure sensor 2 as thermistor on pin e1temp
                  M950 H2 C"e1heat" T2                                             ; create nozzle heater output on e1heat and map it to sensor 2
                  M143 H2 S280                                                     ; set temperature limit for heater 2 to 280C
                  M307 H2 B0 S1.00                                                 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
                  
                  ; Fans
                  M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500                             ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
                  M106 P0 S0 H-1                               ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                  M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500                             ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
                  M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                                ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                  M950 F2 C"fan2" Q500                             ; create fan 2 on pin fan2 and set its frequency
                  M106 P2 S0 H-1                                   ; set fan 2 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                  M950 F3 C"duex.fan8" Q500                        ; create fan 3 on pin duex.fan8 and set its frequency
                  M106 P3 S1 H2 T45                                ; set fan 3 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                  
                  ; LEDs
                  M950 F4 C"duex.fan6" ;Q500                       ; create LED 4 on pin duex.fan6 and set its frequency
                  M106 P4 S128 H-1                                 ; set LED 4 value. Thermostatic control is turned OFF
                  M950 F5 C"duex.fan7" ;Q500                       ; create LED 5 on pin duex.fan7 and set its frequency
                  M106 P5 S128 H-1                                 ; set LED 5 value. Thermostatic control is turned OFF
                  
                  ; Tools
                  M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 S"Left"                         ; define tool 0 Left 
                  G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                       ; set tool 0 axis offsets y was .45
                  G10 P0 R0 S0                                     ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                  
                  M563 P1 D1 H2 X9 F2 S"Right"                     ; define tool 1 Right
                  G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0                ; set tool 1 axis offsets - adjust Y to alignn nozzle
                  G10 P1 R0 S0                                     ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                  
                  M563 P2 D0:1 H1:2 X0:9 F0:2 S"Copy"              ; define tool 2 Copy
                  G10 P2 X90 Y0 U-90 S0 R0                         ; set tool 2 axis offsets (WAS 105)
                  M567 P2 E1:1         
                  M568 P2 S1 ; turn on mixing for tool 2           ; set mix ratio 100% on both extruders
                  ;G10 L1 P1 X0.0 Y0.0 Z-2.55
                  
                  M501                                             ; Record
                  

                  This config is working OK,
                  But in M569 P2 is active and P0 is not active
                  IN M584 P0 is assigned and P2 not ?????
                  and this is working
                  something is wrong with my DUET wifi for sure

                  Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                  Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                  Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                  custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by

                    Can you send M98 P"config.g" and post the results?

                    Z799.2:799.2:799.2
                    Remove the duplicate entries for the Z axis. All the linear axis are configured as a single axis. It's only the extruders which remain independent and need to be configured per driver.

                    M906 Y700 Z700:700:700 E1000:1000 I50
                    There appears to be an extra space after M906. Not sure it matters.

                    You can send the motor config commands by themselves to check that they are configured as expected. For instance, sending M906 in the console to see what the motor currents are actually set to.

                    Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                    • martin7404undefined
                      martin7404 @sebkritikel
                      last edited by

                      @sebkritikel i tried 100 % idle current, no change

                      Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                      Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                      Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                      custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                      • martin7404undefined
                        martin7404 @Phaedrux
                        last edited by

                        @Phaedrux

                        M98 P"config.g"
                        HTTP is enabled on port 80
                        FTP is disabled
                        TELNET is disabled
                        Warning: Heater 0 appears to be over-powered. If left on at full power, its temperature is predicted to reach 365C
                        The M568 command is no longer needed
                        Warning: Heater 1 appears to be over-powered. If left on at full power, its temperature is predicted to reach 723C
                        Warning: Heater 2 appears to be over-powered. If left on at full power, its temperature is predicted to reach 528C
                        

                        Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                        Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                        Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                        custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                        • martin7404undefined
                          martin7404 @Phaedrux
                          last edited by

                          @Phaedrux ```

                          m906
                          Motor current (mA) - X:700, Y:700, Z:500, U:700, E:1000:1000, idle factor 50%
                          3/8/2021, 11:35:56 PM	M98 P"config.g"
                          

                          Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                          Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                          Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                          custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                          • Phaedruxundefined
                            Phaedrux Moderator @martin7404
                            last edited by

                            @martin7404 said in Dual Markforged :idle IDEX carriage is not still during print:

                            m906

                            How bout for the other commands? M92 M305 M201 M203 etc etc

                            Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                            • martin7404undefined
                              martin7404 @Phaedrux
                              last edited by

                              @Phaedrux

                              m203
                              Max speeds (mm/min): X: 12000.0, Y: 12000.0, Z: 1000.0, U: 12000.0, E: 4200.0:4200.0, min. speed 30.00
                              3/9/2021, 7:12:00 AM	m201
                              Accelerations (mm/sec^2): X: 800.0, Y: 800.0, Z: 350.0, U: 800.0, E: 600.0:600.0
                              3/9/2021, 7:11:43 AM	m950
                              Error: M950: exactly one of FHJPS must be given
                              3/9/2021, 7:11:32 AM	m308
                              Error: M308: missing parameter 'S'
                              3/9/2021, 7:11:21 AM	m305
                              Error: M305: M305 has been replaced by M308 and M950 in RepRapFirmware 3
                              3/9/2021, 7:05:16 AM	m92
                              Steps/mm: X: 100.000, Y: 100.000, Z: 799.200, U: 100.000, E: 813.070:830.000
                              3/9/2021, 7:03:45 AM	Connection established
                              

                              Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                              Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                              Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                              custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                              • martin7404undefined
                                martin7404
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                                I have a solution of the problem by chance.
                                I am still waiting for my new Duet wifi , and the setup is the strange one with Z on duet and X,y and U on Duex.
                                Because the machine is working somehow I continued with the commissioning I started Dual material print with both tools and in the begining of gcode both tools are defined temps with G10 and then with Tn P0 , both are activated for a moment in order to reach standby temp. Then G28 G29 etc....
                                It happens that when both tools are activated and the idle is on standby there is no movement in stanby tool

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                                Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
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                                custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                • martin7404undefined
                                  martin7404
                                  last edited by

                                  My new duet wifi is here , installed, updated firmware to 3.2.2, X,Y,U axes are back on mainboard, first print ongoing

                                  Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                  Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                  Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                  custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                  • martin7404undefined
                                    martin7404
                                    last edited by

                                    So it is printing with U carriage at the moment an the X carriage that is standby is dead still during print

                                    Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                    Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                    Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                    custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators @martin7404
                                      last edited by

                                      @martin7404 said in Dual Markforged :idle IDEX carriage is not still during print:

                                      So it is printing with U carriage at the moment an the X carriage that is standby is dead still during print

                                      Assuming you home both carriages before doing a print, then both motors should have current flowing in them, unless you subsequently use M18 or M84 to set one or more motors idle.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                                      • martin7404undefined
                                        martin7404 @dc42
                                        last edited by martin7404

                                        @dc42 in the start G code there is always homing X U Y Z. But when I enable only Left or Right extruder with G10 in the beginning, during print the tool that was not active was moving a little back and forth with Y-axis changing direction.
                                        Then I found a faulty mainboard
                                        ......
                                        The whole time there was no unactivated axis motor

                                        So I think it is now sorted with new mainboard

                                        Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                        Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
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                                        custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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