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    • fcwiltundefined
      fcwilt @mrenz999
      last edited by

      @mrenz999

      Great.

      Did you print out those "tools" designed to help align the frame pieces?

      I didn't have such tools and after seeing my 4 point height map I realized that my left and right Y axis guides were not in the same plane meaning the frame pieces were not in the same plane.

      I closely examined the left and right frame pieces where they joined the four vertical pieces at the top and found that they were at slightly different heights, with the left piece being low in the rear and right piece being high in the front.

      We are talking fractions of a mm but it was enough to generate a "twisted" height map - though not as bad as yours.

      Perhaps you are having the same problem.

      Frederick

      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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      • 3DPrintingWorldundefined
        3DPrintingWorld @mrenz999
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        @mrenz999

        Looks like one of your bearings is not attached?

        ![0_1615255538626_bearing.png](Uploading 100%)

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        • mrenz999undefined
          mrenz999 @fcwilt
          last edited by

          @fcwilt Perhaps. I did print the tool but things move so I will recheck them.
          Is there a way to add the a and s parameter to your bed.g when doing the leveling so it does multiple probes ?

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          • fcwiltundefined
            fcwilt @3DPrintingWorld
            last edited by

            @3DPrintingWorld said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

            M140 S60
            M557 X10:365 Y10:290 S300:270
            G28
            G29 S0
            G29 S3
            M140 S0

            Why the G29 S3? The G29 S0 creates the height map and loads it.

            Frederick

            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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            • mrenz999undefined
              mrenz999 @3DPrintingWorld
              last edited by

              @3DPrintingWorld I pulled screws out of all of them and started a retighten. Trying to see if something came loose.

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              • fcwiltundefined
                fcwilt @mrenz999
                last edited by

                @mrenz999 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                @fcwilt Perhaps. I did print the tool but things move so I will recheck them.
                Is there a way to add the a and s parameter to your bed.g when doing the leveling so it does multiple probes ?

                Yes but is there some reason you cannot modify the existing M558?

                Frederick

                Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                • 3DPrintingWorldundefined
                  3DPrintingWorld @mrenz999
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                  @mrenz999 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                  @3DPrintingWorld I pulled screws out of all of them and started a retighten. Trying to see if something came loose.

                  Ok, that makes sense.

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                  • mrenz999undefined
                    mrenz999
                    last edited by

                    I can but does that affect the bed leveling as well ?

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                    • fcwiltundefined
                      fcwilt @mrenz999
                      last edited by

                      @mrenz999 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                      I can but does that affect the bed leveling as well ?

                      If affects the way the probe works where ever it is used.

                      Do you wish to have it behave in different ways in different places?

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                      • mrenz999undefined
                        mrenz999 @fcwilt
                        last edited by

                        @fcwilt Not necessarily. I just want it to do multiple probes when it checks bed leveling when I home the printer.

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                        • 3DPrintingWorldundefined
                          3DPrintingWorld @fcwilt
                          last edited by

                          @fcwilt said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                          Why the G29 S3? The G29 S0 creates the height map and loads it.

                          Sorry I should have deleted that, I was making edits to mine before I posted it.

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                          • fcwiltundefined
                            fcwilt @mrenz999
                            last edited by

                            @mrenz999 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                            @fcwilt Not necessarily. I just want it to do multiple probes when it checks bed leveling when I home the printer.

                            Well the intent of the A and S parameters is to increase the accuracy and repeatability of the probe.

                            So I have always set them and let them take affect whenever the probe is used.

                            Frederick

                            Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                            • mrenz999undefined
                              mrenz999 @fcwilt
                              last edited by

                              @fcwilt makes perfect sense. I will set that. Thank You

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                              • martin7404undefined
                                martin7404
                                last edited by

                                here is my 4 point map
                                map.png

                                Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                • fcwiltundefined
                                  fcwilt
                                  last edited by

                                  Well I've completely lost track of who was having problems with what.

                                  @3DPrintingWorld was the OP.

                                  Then @martin7404 joined the discussion.

                                  Then @mrenz999 joined the discussion.

                                  Have we solved anything for anyone yet? 😉

                                  @martin7404 your 4 point height map suggests your bed is quite level.

                                  Frederick

                                  Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                  • 3DPrintingWorldundefined
                                    3DPrintingWorld @fcwilt
                                    last edited by

                                    @fcwilt said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                                    @martin7404 your 4 point height map suggests your bed is quite level.

                                    Martin is just bragging! 🤣

                                    I think my issue might be the magnetic sheet cracking causing a ridge making it not flat in the back left corner. I'm going to take off the magnet tonight and give it a go with just glass on on aluminum. I just cant be down too long because I'm behind on parts.... I need to build more printers.😁

                                    My bed has ever been as flat as I would have liked it. I may take a skim cut off the top. Has anyone had good luck attaching a silicon heater back on after its been removed?

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                                    • martin7404undefined
                                      martin7404
                                      last edited by martin7404

                                      I am not bragging, just chime in to share that with faulty board/drivers I got wrong compensation in triple Z setup, the rest is too much I agree.
                                      My bed is within a few thousands without the magnetic mat and the mat is off with 0.1 mm

                                      Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                      Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                      Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                      custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                      • 3DPrintingWorldundefined
                                        3DPrintingWorld @martin7404
                                        last edited by

                                        @martin7404 said in Independently leveled Z axis Issue:

                                        I am not bragging

                                        I know, I'm just giving you a hard time. 😁

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                                        • martin7404undefined
                                          martin7404
                                          last edited by martin7404

                                          MY new board is here tomorrow so I will be able to go back to original setup.
                                          P.S , Until now I was using prusa slicer profiles of GUI for left and right tools that activates only needed tool and today started calibration prints with dual material, and as far both tools are activated in the beginning , there is difference and it is that during print the standby tool cariage is not moving at least visualy

                                          Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                          Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                          Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                          custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                          • 3DPrintingWorldundefined
                                            3DPrintingWorld @martin7404
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                                            @martin7404 That's strange, not sure how that would make a difference.

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