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PWM to 10V via e0heater always gives 10V

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    cjm @larsw
    last edited by 27 Jul 2021, 20:02

    @larsw Understood - and the reason this is not working is because the "Negative of the PWM input signal" is connected to Ground as you measured and confirmed in your answer to @fcwilt. This is unlike other similar boards where both positive and negative PWM inputs are fully isolated from ground, in which case this connection works fine.

    However, with your board, @alankilian's approach is a good one.

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      larsw @cjm
      last edited by 28 Jul 2021, 09:49

      @cjm Fantastic - I'll try this in the weekend when I get my hands on the machine again.

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        cjm @larsw
        last edited by cjm 30 Jul 2021, 07:28

        @larsw A point to note is that if the photos of your converter board on the web are correct, it uses an opto-isolator with a choice of two series resistor values (selected by the jumpers) to match either 5V or 12V-24V.

        The pull-up resistor used in @alankilian’s approach is in series with the opto-isolator’s input resistor and so has to have a low enough value to pass sufficient current to turn on the opto-isolator.

        The 2K or 4K values mentioned by @alankilian connected to the heater supply voltage should be fine.

        However, some opto-isolators have low efficiency so, if you find you’re not getting reliable results, you might want to try setting the board’s jumper to 5V mode.

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          dc42 administrators @cjm
          last edited by 30 Jul 2021, 08:02

          @cjm I agree, from the photo it appears that it has an opto isolator for the input. So why is there continuity between the PWM input ground and the output ground?

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            alankilian @dc42
            last edited by 30 Jul 2021, 13:26

            @dc42 I think I found a picture of the back of the board, and indeed, both the input and output GND connections are to the same net!

            Ref: Link.
            (And in this photo, PWM might also be shorted to ground Ha ha)
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              EducatingSavvas @larsw
              last edited by 31 Jul 2021, 19:52

              @larsw I tried to use a similar type for an older CNC controller of mine and didn't have any luck. I eventually found and used this type which worked:

              PWM to Analogue Converter.jpg
              Available from the usual places.

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                zapta
                last edited by 31 Jul 2021, 21:32

                As a side note, this board reminds me of a similar project by egon.net https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/21680/designing-a-pwm-to-analog-mini-board-for-fans

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                  larsw @cjm
                  last edited by 2 Aug 2021, 12:07

                  @cjm I tried the pull resistor (4.7k) and it worked perfectly.

                  Only issue now is, that the 0-10V output max'es out at 8.6V, but I read somewhare that the converter - even though the specs says VIN 12V to 24V needs least 14,6V to reach 10V in output signal, and my powersupply is 12,8V.

                  8,6V is close enough - my spindle reaches to max speed at 9V.

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                    dc42 administrators @alankilian
                    last edited by 2 Aug 2021, 12:27

                    @alankilian they've made a mistake with that design IMO, by sharing the ground plane with both ground pins even though the input is optically isolated.

                    I would be tempted to cut the 4 fingers that join each of the pins I have marked to the ground plane, and connect them together with a wire instead.

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                      alankilian @larsw
                      last edited by 2 Aug 2021, 13:24

                      @larsw said in PWM to 10V via e0heater always gives 10V:

                      @cjm I tried the pull resistor (4.7k) and it worked perfectly.

                      Only issue now is, that the 0-10V output max'es out at 8.6V, but I read somewhare that the converter - even though the specs says VIN 12V to 24V needs least 14,6V to reach 10V in output signal, and my powersupply is 12,8V.

                      8,6V is close enough - my spindle reaches to max speed at 9V.

                      That's GREAT news!

                      Thanks for keeping up with our ideas and letting us know you got it working.

                      If you want to get to 9 Volts, you can try adjusting the potentiometer on the board.

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                        cjm @larsw
                        last edited by 2 Aug 2021, 22:10

                        @larsw Good news! Glad to hear it’s all working now…

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                          larsw @alankilian
                          last edited by 3 Aug 2021, 10:46

                          @alankilian said in PWM to 10V via e0heater always gives 10V:

                          Thanks for keeping up with our ideas and letting us know you got it working.

                          I hope somebody else can use these findings. The converter seems to be pretty common.

                          If you want to get to 9 Volts, you can try adjusting the potentiometer on the board.

                          This is with the potentioneter at max, but as I said - good enough.

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                            baird1fa @EducatingSavvas
                            last edited by 29 Aug 2021, 21:27

                            @educatingsavvas
                            I just wired up one of these and it works too.

                            One thing to note is that using less than 3000hz seems to result in the generation of a 0-10v signal that the VFD sees as oscillating and then it changes frequencies a lot. It ramps up and down 10’s of hertz.

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