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    zapta @fcwilt
    last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 03:31

    @fcwilt, yes, the Trident is a newer design.

    V1 and V2 mean Voron1 or Voron2, as in a product line rather than a version. It's a common source to confusion hence the move to real names such as switchwire and trident.

    The main differences are that trident has a bed that moves up/down on three leadscrews while V2.4 (version 4 of Voron2) the bed is static at the bottom and the head moves up/down on 4 belts.

    There are theoretical pros and cons for each but the general thinking is that they have about the same material capabilities, speed and quality and the difference is a matter of personal taste or 'coolness'.

    Here is the Trident announcement https://youtu.be/Be4GaSCAGU0 , the guy at the bottom left is the Voron founder.

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      peirof @zapta
      last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 04:13

      @zapta the main problem, its I cant print... My delta, its out of service.... I have see some printed kits....

      The idea its scrap my delta and use some of the components in New core xy printer...

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        fcwilt @zapta
        last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 06:03

        @zapta

        Thanks much.

        Frederick

        Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          engikeneer @peirof
          last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 07:32

          @peirof another option is the BLV MGN cube. You can get kits on Aliexpress that are reasonably complete. It also uses a Duet WiFi by default (though all the kits will come with cloned boards, but you can get them without the board and buy a proper one)
          The design and documentation might be slightly less complete than the Vorons, but I think its a slightly simpler machine which might be easier to setup.
          Either that got go for a complete printer out of the box e.g. an Ender 5

          E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
          Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
          i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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            o_lampe @peirof
            last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 07:51

            @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

            Hi,
            I'm tired of my delta printer....
            The last thing is that another duet board has fallen, and it's the second...

            I'd start over building a new printer only when I've found the reason for the Delta to grill Duets.
            If it's lack of knowledge or some misunderstood documentation, your next project will fail, too. 😞

            Sorry, if it sounds harsh, but I'm trying to save you some money..

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              Yveske @peirof
              last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 07:51

              @peirof Have a look at the Rat Rig V-Core 3
              Default: https://www.ratrig.com/3d-printing-cnc/3d-printer-kits/v-core3default.html
              Configurable: https://www.ratrig.com/3d-printing-cnc/3d-printer-kits/v-core3configurable.html

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                peirof @o_lampe
                last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 09:52

                @o_lampe

                think you have reason....

                It is the great fear that I have, that I mount a new printer, and that for something that does not do well ... I will burn a Duet plate again ... But the other option is almost worse, if I change the Duet plate, in my current one printer, without changing practically anything ... I'm condemned to fry another board ... and I don't know how to get out of that loop .... when the Duet v2 board arrived, I was happy because it had more fuses than 1, and I thought that he was protected ... but apparently it wasn't enough.

                My biggest fear, mounting a new printer, and burning another duet board again .... but I DON'T know how to deal with the problem

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                  engikeneer @peirof
                  last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 12:44

                  @peirof main thing to do is to test. Get a multimeter and test all your connections. Check for shorts to ground, shorts to Vin etc.

                  Reading your other thread, it sounded like you had a short somewhere in your hotend wiring which needed diagnosing and fixing before the Duet was powered up... even if the Duet has fuses, they take a (small) amount of time to blow so won't always protect your board from that kind of damage

                  E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
                  Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
                  i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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                    o_lampe @engikeneer
                    last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 12:56

                    @engikeneer said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                    Reading your other thread, it sounded like you had a short somewhere in your hotend wiring

                    I haven't seen that thread, but another where a Duet1 board has a burnt driver chip. The error seems to be in wiring/electronics mishaps.

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                      JamesM
                      last edited by 11 Oct 2021, 17:04

                      https://3dfused.com/diycore/

                      Available in different sizes from 200x200 up to 500x500. All metal design.

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                        peirof
                        last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 01:24

                        Thanks to all...

                        For the moment I have 2 preselected printers:

                        • Rat Rig V-Core 3
                        • Voron Trident

                        Its easier purchase Rat Rig components...

                        Some options of those printers?

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                          zapta @peirof
                          last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 02:25

                          @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                          Some options of those printers?

                          I would say, stay away from bowden extruders, go with direct ones.

                          My 2c.

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                            peirof @zapta
                            last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 04:25

                            I'm studying the options, for the moment I think I'm staying with the Ratrig...

                            Maybe I like the idea of the Voron better... But the configured Ratrig website, makes getting the components much easier than the voron.

                            I have a doubt, after using the configurator, I do not know if you have tried it ...

                            And it is that when choosing the board gives you the option of Duet v3 mini (it is the idea I had, for that perfect face) but adds:

                            • Duet 3 mini
                            • v1 WiFi with Duet v3 (I suppose I guess this will be to add WiFi to the duet 3 mini)
                            • Dual steppers expansión board (Ratrig uses 5 steppers motors, duet 3 mini have 5 drivers... Why this expansión board?)

                            Someone can give me feedback about these printer?

                            Thanks

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                              zapta
                              last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 05:37

                              @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                              Ratrig uses 5 steppers motors

                              It's possible that they use 3 independent Z motors? (+ two for X/Y and one for extruder) and thus needs the expansion to drive the 6th motor.

                              The 'V1' is the version of the Duet Mini5+ Wifi. Github shows two versions, 1.0 and 1.01. Not sure what the differences are.

                              https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Mini5plus

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                                Gixxerfast
                                last edited by Gixxerfast 10 Dec 2021, 06:05 12 Oct 2021, 05:53

                                I think it depends a bit on what material you want to print. Do you want to print ABS/ASA/PC then you'll want an enclosed printer.

                                I would recommend a Voron for that, a Trident or the 2.4. Yes, the 2.4 has some challenges, it has a flying gantry and four z-motors but it's very well designed and together with some mods it's a print-and-go machine. It requires that you understand it though, it's not an Ender 3.

                                As with all enlosed printers that get's a higher chamber temp you will have heat expansion that can be a problem if you don't understand it. It can be handled with Auto Z-correction and mesh compensation with large prints. Or you always print with the same circumstances.

                                The community is large or rather getting huge, though we are a fewerbunch using Duets but it works really nice with the 1LC toolboard. Just four cables to the toolhead. It is though an DIY printer for people who want to build a printer themself.

                                Tuned it can produce great prints. Small example in ABS (greatly enlarged. It's about 3 cm across):
                                20211012_022614.jpg

                                If you want mainly a PLA-printer I would go with maybe another machine, open frame or where the enclosement is more of an afterthought.

                                Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
                                Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
                                Ender 3 Pro with BTT SKR-2 + RRF

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                                  peirof @Gixxerfast
                                  last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 06:26

                                  @gixxerfast said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                  er getting huge, though we are a fewerbunch using Duets but it works really nice with the 1LC toolboard. Just four cables to the toolhead. It is though an DIY

                                  I see, that you have a Voron....

                                  How did you get the materials?

                                  Did you take the BOM from the web, and you were buying them separately?
                                  Did you buy a pack? Web?
                                  The printed parts ... did you buy them, or did you print them?

                                  As I have said, I like the Voron more, but finding the materials to make it seems more complicated, although I already have part of them ...

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                                    JoergS5 @engikeneer
                                    last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 06:31

                                    @engikeneer said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                    Get a multimeter and test all your connections.

                                    I have started to build me a little teststation, where I test all electronic components before I use it with a Duet:

                                    • endstop
                                    • steppers (with Arduino and Pololu)
                                    • SSR
                                    • hotend circuit
                                    • wires with crimping (I've still problems to crimp)

                                    So I know that the electronics are ok (no short circuits, right poling) before I "set the Duet under danger".

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                                      Gixxerfast @peirof
                                      last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 06:33

                                      @peirof I bought the parts from mainly a couple of sources, Fermio (DE), Lecktor (EE) and AliExpress (Powge and Trianglelabs and a few more). Then a few bits here and there and the Duet boards from Denmark.

                                      I built an Ikea Lack enclosure for my Ender 3 and printed the first parts on that in ABS/ASA. Then I have reprinted most parts on the 2.4 itself as I have modified it.

                                      Yes, there are so many now that want Voron parts, but checkout the Voron Discord there you will get heap of info, almost too much 🙂 A very friendly and helpful bunch https://discord.gg/voron

                                      Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
                                      Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
                                      Ender 3 Pro with BTT SKR-2 + RRF

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                                        peirof @JoergS5
                                        last edited by 12 Oct 2021, 06:33

                                        @joergs5 said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                        no short circuits, right pol

                                        Seems a good tip...

                                        but... how do you know if a component its wrong? Check continuti, voltage?

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                                          JoergS5 @peirof
                                          last edited by JoergS5 10 Dec 2021, 06:37 12 Oct 2021, 06:35

                                          @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                          component its wrong? Check continuti, voltage?

                                          At the moment it depends on the component, but in most cases yes. Sometimes only a check whether it works. And I'm trying to do the best to stay at a specific color coding if possible, black always ground, red 24/12/5V/3.3V, steppers black+green together. (that's easy to remember for me: black and green political parties in germany).

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