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    • zaptaundefined
      zapta @fcwilt
      last edited by

      @fcwilt, yes, the Trident is a newer design.

      V1 and V2 mean Voron1 or Voron2, as in a product line rather than a version. It's a common source to confusion hence the move to real names such as switchwire and trident.

      The main differences are that trident has a bed that moves up/down on three leadscrews while V2.4 (version 4 of Voron2) the bed is static at the bottom and the head moves up/down on 4 belts.

      There are theoretical pros and cons for each but the general thinking is that they have about the same material capabilities, speed and quality and the difference is a matter of personal taste or 'coolness'.

      Here is the Trident announcement https://youtu.be/Be4GaSCAGU0 , the guy at the bottom left is the Voron founder.

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      • peirofundefined
        peirof @zapta
        last edited by

        @zapta the main problem, its I cant print... My delta, its out of service.... I have see some printed kits....

        The idea its scrap my delta and use some of the components in New core xy printer...

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        • fcwiltundefined
          fcwilt @zapta
          last edited by

          @zapta

          Thanks much.

          Frederick

          Printers: a E3D MS/TC setup and a RatRig Hybrid. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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          • engikeneerundefined
            engikeneer @peirof
            last edited by

            @peirof another option is the BLV MGN cube. You can get kits on Aliexpress that are reasonably complete. It also uses a Duet WiFi by default (though all the kits will come with cloned boards, but you can get them without the board and buy a proper one)
            The design and documentation might be slightly less complete than the Vorons, but I think its a slightly simpler machine which might be easier to setup.
            Either that got go for a complete printer out of the box e.g. an Ender 5

            E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
            Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
            i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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            • o_lampeundefined
              o_lampe @peirof
              last edited by

              @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

              Hi,
              I'm tired of my delta printer....
              The last thing is that another duet board has fallen, and it's the second...

              I'd start over building a new printer only when I've found the reason for the Delta to grill Duets.
              If it's lack of knowledge or some misunderstood documentation, your next project will fail, too. 😞

              Sorry, if it sounds harsh, but I'm trying to save you some money..

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              • Yveskeundefined
                Yveske @peirof
                last edited by

                @peirof Have a look at the Rat Rig V-Core 3
                Default: https://www.ratrig.com/3d-printing-cnc/3d-printer-kits/v-core3default.html
                Configurable: https://www.ratrig.com/3d-printing-cnc/3d-printer-kits/v-core3configurable.html

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                • peirofundefined
                  peirof @o_lampe
                  last edited by

                  @o_lampe

                  think you have reason....

                  It is the great fear that I have, that I mount a new printer, and that for something that does not do well ... I will burn a Duet plate again ... But the other option is almost worse, if I change the Duet plate, in my current one printer, without changing practically anything ... I'm condemned to fry another board ... and I don't know how to get out of that loop .... when the Duet v2 board arrived, I was happy because it had more fuses than 1, and I thought that he was protected ... but apparently it wasn't enough.

                  My biggest fear, mounting a new printer, and burning another duet board again .... but I DON'T know how to deal with the problem

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                  • engikeneerundefined
                    engikeneer @peirof
                    last edited by

                    @peirof main thing to do is to test. Get a multimeter and test all your connections. Check for shorts to ground, shorts to Vin etc.

                    Reading your other thread, it sounded like you had a short somewhere in your hotend wiring which needed diagnosing and fixing before the Duet was powered up... even if the Duet has fuses, they take a (small) amount of time to blow so won't always protect your board from that kind of damage

                    E3D TC with D3Mini and Toolboards.
                    Home-built CoreXY, Duet Wifi, Chimera direct drive, 2x BMG, 300x300x300 build volume
                    i3 clone with a bunch of mods

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                    • o_lampeundefined
                      o_lampe @engikeneer
                      last edited by

                      @engikeneer said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                      Reading your other thread, it sounded like you had a short somewhere in your hotend wiring

                      I haven't seen that thread, but another where a Duet1 board has a burnt driver chip. The error seems to be in wiring/electronics mishaps.

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                      • JamesMundefined
                        JamesM
                        last edited by

                        https://3dfused.com/diycore/

                        Available in different sizes from 200x200 up to 500x500. All metal design.

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                        • peirofundefined
                          peirof
                          last edited by

                          Thanks to all...

                          For the moment I have 2 preselected printers:

                          • Rat Rig V-Core 3
                          • Voron Trident

                          Its easier purchase Rat Rig components...

                          Some options of those printers?

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                          • zaptaundefined
                            zapta @peirof
                            last edited by

                            @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                            Some options of those printers?

                            I would say, stay away from bowden extruders, go with direct ones.

                            My 2c.

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                            • peirofundefined
                              peirof @zapta
                              last edited by

                              I'm studying the options, for the moment I think I'm staying with the Ratrig...

                              Maybe I like the idea of the Voron better... But the configured Ratrig website, makes getting the components much easier than the voron.

                              I have a doubt, after using the configurator, I do not know if you have tried it ...

                              And it is that when choosing the board gives you the option of Duet v3 mini (it is the idea I had, for that perfect face) but adds:

                              • Duet 3 mini
                              • v1 WiFi with Duet v3 (I suppose I guess this will be to add WiFi to the duet 3 mini)
                              • Dual steppers expansión board (Ratrig uses 5 steppers motors, duet 3 mini have 5 drivers... Why this expansión board?)

                              Someone can give me feedback about these printer?

                              Thanks

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                              • zaptaundefined
                                zapta
                                last edited by

                                @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                Ratrig uses 5 steppers motors

                                It's possible that they use 3 independent Z motors? (+ two for X/Y and one for extruder) and thus needs the expansion to drive the 6th motor.

                                The 'V1' is the version of the Duet Mini5+ Wifi. Github shows two versions, 1.0 and 1.01. Not sure what the differences are.

                                https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Mini5plus

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                                • Gixxerfastundefined
                                  Gixxerfast
                                  last edited by Gixxerfast

                                  I think it depends a bit on what material you want to print. Do you want to print ABS/ASA/PC then you'll want an enclosed printer.

                                  I would recommend a Voron for that, a Trident or the 2.4. Yes, the 2.4 has some challenges, it has a flying gantry and four z-motors but it's very well designed and together with some mods it's a print-and-go machine. It requires that you understand it though, it's not an Ender 3.

                                  As with all enlosed printers that get's a higher chamber temp you will have heat expansion that can be a problem if you don't understand it. It can be handled with Auto Z-correction and mesh compensation with large prints. Or you always print with the same circumstances.

                                  The community is large or rather getting huge, though we are a fewerbunch using Duets but it works really nice with the 1LC toolboard. Just four cables to the toolhead. It is though an DIY printer for people who want to build a printer themself.

                                  Tuned it can produce great prints. Small example in ABS (greatly enlarged. It's about 3 cm across):
                                  20211012_022614.jpg

                                  If you want mainly a PLA-printer I would go with maybe another machine, open frame or where the enclosement is more of an afterthought.

                                  Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
                                  Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
                                  Ender 3 Pro with BTT SKR-2 + RRF

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                                  • peirofundefined
                                    peirof @Gixxerfast
                                    last edited by

                                    @gixxerfast said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                    er getting huge, though we are a fewerbunch using Duets but it works really nice with the 1LC toolboard. Just four cables to the toolhead. It is though an DIY

                                    I see, that you have a Voron....

                                    How did you get the materials?

                                    Did you take the BOM from the web, and you were buying them separately?
                                    Did you buy a pack? Web?
                                    The printed parts ... did you buy them, or did you print them?

                                    As I have said, I like the Voron more, but finding the materials to make it seems more complicated, although I already have part of them ...

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                                    • JoergS5undefined
                                      JoergS5 @engikeneer
                                      last edited by

                                      @engikeneer said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                      Get a multimeter and test all your connections.

                                      I have started to build me a little teststation, where I test all electronic components before I use it with a Duet:

                                      • endstop
                                      • steppers (with Arduino and Pololu)
                                      • SSR
                                      • hotend circuit
                                      • wires with crimping (I've still problems to crimp)

                                      So I know that the electronics are ok (no short circuits, right poling) before I "set the Duet under danger".

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                                      • Gixxerfastundefined
                                        Gixxerfast @peirof
                                        last edited by

                                        @peirof I bought the parts from mainly a couple of sources, Fermio (DE), Lecktor (EE) and AliExpress (Powge and Trianglelabs and a few more). Then a few bits here and there and the Duet boards from Denmark.

                                        I built an Ikea Lack enclosure for my Ender 3 and printed the first parts on that in ABS/ASA. Then I have reprinted most parts on the 2.4 itself as I have modified it.

                                        Yes, there are so many now that want Voron parts, but checkout the Voron Discord there you will get heap of info, almost too much 🙂 A very friendly and helpful bunch https://discord.gg/voron

                                        Voron V2.4 (#1317) with Duet 3 Mini5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.1 Toolboard
                                        Voron V0.1 (#637) with Duet 3 Mini 5+ Wifi and 1LC v1.2 Toolboard
                                        Ender 3 Pro with BTT SKR-2 + RRF

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                                        • peirofundefined
                                          peirof @JoergS5
                                          last edited by

                                          @joergs5 said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                          no short circuits, right pol

                                          Seems a good tip...

                                          but... how do you know if a component its wrong? Check continuti, voltage?

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                                          • JoergS5undefined
                                            JoergS5 @peirof
                                            last edited by JoergS5

                                            @peirof said in Tired of my delta printer...:

                                            component its wrong? Check continuti, voltage?

                                            At the moment it depends on the component, but in most cases yes. Sometimes only a check whether it works. And I'm trying to do the best to stay at a specific color coding if possible, black always ground, red 24/12/5V/3.3V, steppers black+green together. (that's easy to remember for me: black and green political parties in germany).

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