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    • tecnoundefined
      tecno @infiniteloop
      last edited by

      @infiniteloop

      NPN and no 3.3V ! Vin as these need 6-30V

      Vin non triggered = out Vin
      Triggered = out under 0.6V

      So probe is OK

      Looks like the Tollboard is busted again 😞

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      • tecnoundefined
        tecno @jay_s_uk
        last edited by

        @jay_s_uk said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

        @tecno well there you go. use P8 and not P5

        Select mode 5 (P5) in the M558 command. Invert the probe output From the manual you linked !

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        • jay_s_ukundefined
          jay_s_uk @tecno
          last edited by

          @tecno https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/CAN_limitations
          only P8 and P9 can be used on CAN boards

          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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          • tecnoundefined
            tecno @jay_s_uk
            last edited by

            @jay_s_uk

            Doh... too many variables so confusing it is.

            How can i check port that it is working? Short GND to INP or 5V?

            Set it as P8 so I can see Probe value 0 or 1000

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            • infiniteloopundefined
              infiniteloop @tecno
              last edited by

              @tecno said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

              Vin non triggered = out Vin

              Do I understand this right: The signal has 6-30V non-triggered?

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              • tecnoundefined
                tecno @infiniteloop
                last edited by

                @infiniteloop

                Yes

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                • infiniteloopundefined
                  infiniteloop @tecno
                  last edited by

                  @tecno said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

                  Yes

                  Then you've fried the port. 😒

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                  • tecnoundefined
                    tecno @infiniteloop
                    last edited by

                    @infiniteloop

                    That is what I suspect, not the first toolboard to go south on me.

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                    • infiniteloopundefined
                      infiniteloop @tecno
                      last edited by

                      @tecno said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

                      How can i check port that it is working? Short GND to INP or 5V?

                      Yes, you can short GND to INP. Does this trigger the endstop?

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                      • tecnoundefined
                        tecno @infiniteloop
                        last edited by

                        @infiniteloop said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

                        @tecno said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

                        How can i check port that it is working? Short GND to INP or 5V?

                        Yes, you can short GND to INP. Does this trigger the endstop?

                        not shorted = value is 0
                        shorted = value is 1000

                        So go figure what is wrong, I only have 1N4148 diode's at hand no BATΒ΄s

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                        • infiniteloopundefined
                          infiniteloop @tecno
                          last edited by

                          @tecno said in Toolboard + NO NPN probe:

                          not shorted = value is 0
                          shorted = value is 1000

                          That's good news, the board still works. Your test means that the probe doesn't pull down the signal strong enough to trigger. Try the diode - according to the documentation, this might work:

                          The diode should preferably be a small-signal Schottky diode such as BAT43 or BAT85, but a small signal silicon diode such as 1N4148 works for some people.

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                          • tecnoundefined
                            tecno @infiniteloop
                            last edited by

                            @infiniteloop

                            Already tried the diod = no go

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                            • infiniteloopundefined
                              infiniteloop @tecno
                              last edited by

                              @tecno Hm, I'm guessing, but maybe a pull-down resistor between GND and INP might help. Can't tell you a value, though, but I would start with something like 10k - and go down until the probe triggers reliably.

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                              • martin7404undefined
                                martin7404
                                last edited by martin7404

                                I syrongly sugest using NC probe

                                ; Z-Probe
                                M671 X-31.39:250:531.36 Y-18:433.3:-18 S10       ; Locations left, center, right   
                                M558 P8 C"121.io2.in"  H3 F1000 T6000 A20 S0.005 ; PINDA set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds
                                
                                

                                This is for my superpinda with duet 3 and toolboard

                                Muldex IDEX Duet2+Duex5
                                Custom CoreXY 600x400 Hemera , Duet3+Toolboard+1HCL closed loop
                                Sapphire Pro with Duet2, with closed-loop motors
                                custom high temp E3D tool changer with Duet2+Duex

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                                • tecnoundefined
                                  tecno @infiniteloop
                                  last edited by

                                  I found one PNP that I now have tried = same issue.

                                  Found other with better sense distance that I prefere.

                                  IFS208-00_EN-GB.pdf

                                  How do I connect this one, if possible the 2 wire Vin + io0 in ?

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                                  • dc42undefined
                                    dc42 administrators @tecno
                                    last edited by dc42

                                    @tecno if shorting input to ground changes the Z probe reading from 0 to 1000 then an NPN output probe connected correctly should work. You do not need to use a diode.

                                    Are you sure it is NPN output?

                                    Are you sure you have connected it correctly?

                                    Does it have a LED on it to indicate when it is triggered?

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                    • tecnoundefined
                                      tecno @dc42
                                      last edited by

                                      @dc42
                                      Label says NPN NO

                                      std coloring on wires BN to +, BK out and BU to -. Load BK to BN so it should be NPN right?
                                      Vin to BN
                                      GND on 121.io0 to BU
                                      BK to 121.io0 input

                                      Yes LED indicates Trig

                                      Tried without and with 1N4148 Diode, Inverted - Non inverted - Pull up no pullup

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                                      • tecnoundefined
                                        tecno @tecno
                                        last edited by tecno

                                        Now I have yet another probe = IFS208 and now it works.

                                        Suspect these bloody mini crimp connectors again = they are not up to par what is needed for a good connector.

                                        So a Toolboard V2 with new bigger common crimp connectors PLEASE. I see no need to scale down this board to be hard to work with. I suggested earlier that toolboard to be delivered with pre crimped pigtails.
                                        All in all it is too wimpy with the assembly with board connector housing not properly seated.

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                                        • tecnoundefined
                                          tecno @tecno
                                          last edited by

                                          probe = IFS208 = Too long so it does not fit.

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                                          • tecnoundefined
                                            tecno @tecno
                                            last edited by

                                            Back to the NPN NO probe, now it works.
                                            M558 C"!121.io0.in" P8 H10 F120 T8000

                                            So bad crimp was the issue.

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