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    chriskimbr
    last edited by chriskimbr 17 Mar 2019, 20:49

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    Running duet with this mosfet connected to bed.

    Bed temp 55c
    Hot end running at 220c

    Smelling burnt plastic, look down and see the mosfet pla cover melting.

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      gavatron3000
      last edited by 17 Mar 2019, 21:06

      Did you give the heat sink any airflow?

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        chriskimbr @gavatron3000
        last edited by 17 Mar 2019, 21:11

        @gavatron3000 Just the vents that you see.

        Been running it like this, for some reason it got really hot this time.

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          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by 17 Mar 2019, 22:23

          Yikes. 😬

          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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            frank26080115
            last edited by 18 Mar 2019, 15:42

            Got any specs of your hardware? How much current you are passing? On resistance of the MOSFET? It'll be a good case study.

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              Edgars Batna
              last edited by 18 Mar 2019, 18:36

              That doesn't look like proper airflow to me. I suppose the widening gaps prevented it from catching fire. My suggestion is to make a force-ventilated case that encompasses all the components as opposed to covering them one by one.

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                NeoandGeo
                last edited by 18 Mar 2019, 20:29

                I had an identical looking Mosfet almost catch fire about a year ago. Had proper airflow over the top of it. Buying cheap random brand parts from Amazon usually works out great, but sometimes you get a dud.

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                  A Former User @chriskimbr
                  last edited by 8 May 2019, 13:25

                  @chriskimbr

                  • always-on fan on top?

                  • next enclosure out of PolyCarbonat (choose black for UV-protection) (is flame reluctant (not unflammable, but at least it takes longer))?

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                    chriskimbr @A Former User
                    last edited by 8 May 2019, 15:06

                    @lb Found out why it overheated. On the mainboard where you screw in the bed heater wires, they were little exposed and touching. so it arced and started heating up. Make sure when you screw your wires into board that no metal wire is exposed and that its covered so they don't touch or arc.

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                      gtj0 @chriskimbr
                      last edited by 8 May 2019, 15:26

                      @chriskimbr That's what the ferrules are for. 🙂

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                        A Former User @gtj0
                        last edited by A Former User 5 Aug 2019, 16:45 8 May 2019, 16:44

                        @gtj0

                        But even with ferrules you need a good light if you do that in the night, because in a dim lit room it happened to me that even with ferrule-crimping I missed one of those wires thin like a hair... 😉 but yeah it is always good to do the complicated things in the morning with the sun shining I guess

                        @chriskimbr

                        Will check on saturady my wiring again after seeing your picture 😞 good luck & thanks for sharing!

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                          fma
                          last edited by 9 May 2019, 06:10

                          I recently bought some fire retardant ABS, from here:

                          http://www.sovb3d.fr/abs-175mm-ignifuge-1kg/52-fil-abs-blanc-ignifuge-175mm-1kg.html

                          I ran a test, and it indeed does not propagate fire.

                          Frédéric

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                            zapta
                            last edited by 10 May 2019, 20:08

                            You want to use low ON resistance mosfet to reduce the generated heat. For example, like this one

                            https://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_30&products_id=288

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                              JRDM
                              last edited by 10 May 2019, 23:50

                              Did you need more than 15A of current, and if so, why?

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                                DocTrucker @JRDM
                                last edited by DocTrucker 5 Nov 2019, 03:29 11 May 2019, 03:26

                                @jrdm perhaps because they are following recommended heating capacities and for cost reasons are sticking to 12V.

                                Folowing the Duet docs gives over 15A for a 220mm square bed. Plenty of beds bigger than this about too. Large enough to give the 18A current limit of the Duet 2s a threat.

                                https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_a_bed_heater

                                Where has 15A come from?

                                Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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                                  JRDM @DocTrucker
                                  last edited by JRDM 5 Nov 2019, 19:19 11 May 2019, 19:11

                                  @doctrucker said in Burnin’ down the house.:

                                  @jrdm perhaps because they are following recommended heating capacities and for cost reasons are sticking to 12V.

                                  OK I thought most DC beds had switched to allowing two different voltages.

                                  Where has 15A come from?

                                  According to the Duet wiki, that's the rating of the fuse provided for protecting bed circuit. At first glance, 18A ATO fuses aren't readily available.

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                                    DocTrucker @JRDM
                                    last edited by 11 May 2019, 19:14

                                    @jrdm fair point! 😄 The docs I linked specified 18A, but I think not all the Duet 2s had fuses and it's the fuse holder that limits ot to 15A.

                                    Running 3 P3Steel with Duet 2. Duet 3 on the shelf looking for a suitable machine. One first generation Duet in a Logo/Turtle style robot!

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