Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
slightly OT
Effective October 1, 2020, functionality in Fusion 360 for personal use will be limited, and you’ll no longer have access to the following:
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Probing, 3 + 2-axis milling (tool orientation), multi-axis milling, rapid moves, automatic tool changes
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Multi-sheets, smart templates, output options for drawings (print only).
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Download options from public share links
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Cloud rendering
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Export options including F3Z, DWG, DXF, IGES, SAT, and STEP
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Simulation and generative design
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Unlimited active and editable Fusion 360 documents (10 doc limit).
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Fusion 360 extensions
Wow, can't even export to STEP. I guess it might be the beginning of goodbye to Fusion 360 for me.
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it certainly limits the usability of the slicer without exporting step files for sharing; shame.
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
Export options including F3Z, DWG, DXF, IGES, SAT, and STEP
looks like investing into freeCAD was not a bad move
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If you sign up to the EAA https://www.eaa.org/ (for $40 a year or $36 recurring) you can get SOLIDWORKS student.
Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is
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@arhi said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
freeCAD
has cam? https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Path_Workbench ... hold my beer, I'm going in!
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@jay_s_uk said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
If you sign up to the EAA https://www.eaa.org/ (for $40 a year or $36 recurring) you can get SOLIDWORKS student.
thats pretty fly
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@bearer
There is no mention of changing import options, so you could conceivably still import .step or.iges files.
Also, Fusion project files can still be exported, so a workaround for storage of only 10 projects could be exporting the project and archiving it on a local storage solution and then re-uploading it when needed.Not sure what archived/active means, I don't see the difference between continually 'archiving' and then making a document 'active' unless the process is annoying enough to make it an unwanted step in the modeling workflow.I think these changes were brought about from people abusing the personal license for commercial uses. Even then, a yearly subscription for Fusion 360 is only around USD $500, which is a lot cheaper than the major CAD/CAM players (Solidworks, Inventor, Solidedge, etc). (Yes, cheaper is relative, five hundred dollars isn't an insignificant amount of money)
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@Red-Sand-Robot They already removed importing of "professional" cad formats last year or early this year. So, no more STEP, IGES or SLDPRT/ASM for free users.
However, if a hobbyist needs to have a part made (one of the main reasons for needing a STEP export), they could send the fusion file to the company who likely has access to fusion and can convert it/use the file as needed. Though, perhaps that would pose a problem for the vendor using a "hobbyist" file on their commercial licence? Not sure how that would work I will ask around the fusion groups.
@Red-Sand-Robot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
[...] Not sure what archived/active means, I don't see the difference between continually 'archiving' and then making a document 'active' unless the process is annoying enough to make it an unwanted step in the modeling workflow.
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If you're doing "distributed design," where each part has its own "design" file, the 10 active design limit would limit you in making an assembly. However, that's easy to workaround because that's not even how Fusion is "meant" to be used. It seems almost like training tool of sorts -- force the hobbyists to learn the Fusion methodology (versus the SolidWorks way of distributed assemblies/designs).
So, other than that, yeah, it will be a juggling act of archiving and re-activating designs to work on. Maybe they'll have a limit to the number of times you can change the state of a design per day or the like.
*not actually a robot
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If people felt they couldn't afford it before, its not very likely to change October 1st, regardless of use case; and if it doesn't change ... meh.
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Well, that's a kick in the teeth. I started with Onshape, but they did the same thing and made the personal/free version virtually unusable. Moved to Fusion 360, but was sceptical that they'd do the same... and they have. Back to OpenSCAD, and, I guess, FreeCAD.
Ian
TronXY X5S with Duet 3 MB6HC and Roto toolboard : Cartesian bed-slinger with Duet 3 Mini 5+ WiFi and 1LC : RRP Fisher Delta v1 with Duet 2 Maestro : Polargraph with Duet 2 WiFi
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In my case paying for Fusion 360 isn't too offensive to me. I've grown to like it a lot and have enough time and effort invested into it that. It's a good piece of software and I don't mind paying for that. I can see how that would be unpopular, but it was free because it was basically an open beta that saw a lot of active development and improvement. Now that it's pretty fully featured it's time to turn the screws and recoup some investment.
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This is the blog post about the changes: https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/changes-to-fusion-360-for-personal-use/
The comments are... emotional!Ian
TronXY X5S with Duet 3 MB6HC and Roto toolboard : Cartesian bed-slinger with Duet 3 Mini 5+ WiFi and 1LC : RRP Fisher Delta v1 with Duet 2 Maestro : Polargraph with Duet 2 WiFi
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@bot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
They already removed importing of "professional" cad formats last year or early this year. So, no more STEP, IGES or SLDPRT/ASM for free users.
Actually, STEP/IGES are still allowed.
Interestingly enough, apparently you can still export to an Inventor part/assembly file, but not import! Very odd.
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@Red-Sand-Robot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
@bot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
They already removed importing of "professional" cad formats last year or early this year. So, no more STEP, IGES or SLDPRT/ASM for free users.
Actually, STEP/IGES are still allowed.
Interestingly enough, apparently you can still export to an Inventor part/assembly file, but not import! Very odd.
Weird! I could have sworn they removed that, but I guess it was just the SLDPRT/ASM I was thinking of.
That's silly though, that you can't import Iventor files, but can export them, and you can import Step files but not export them! lol. It's like they're waging psychological warfare on free users.
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@jay_s_uk said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
If you sign up to the EAA https://www.eaa.org/ (for $40 a year or $36 recurring) you can get SOLIDWORKS student.
In my book that's cheating, I can have FULL version of SolidWorks (had until a few years ago) on my computer for free, it's just a state of mind, you do or you don't want to cheat. At some point, I decided I won't do it anymore so.. Currently figuring out how to compile (compiling as we speak) freeCAD on windows so I can have bleeding edge version
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
@arhi said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
freeCAD
has cam? https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Path_Workbench ... hold my beer, I'm going in!
no clue if it's any good, have not tried, but I noticed recently that number of workbenches is increasing rapidly and more and more things are available... probbly someone will make a slicer too
.. it being open source I guess it's easier to write slicer for freeCAD than to f360... and you can import/export all sort of fancy formats so -
@droftarts said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
Well, that's a kick in the teeth. I started with Onshape, but they did the same thing and made the personal/free version virtually unusable. Moved to Fusion 360, but was sceptical that they'd do the same... and they have. Back to OpenSCAD, and, I guess, FreeCAD.
100% same story
I used SolidWorks (illegal) and what was before PTC CREO that had free version. Then PTC purchased that and I dropped it used SolidWorks (illegal) and learned openSCAD. Then onshape came and I loved it (same way of thinking as SolidWorks) and I decided that year that last two illegal tools I have on my computer must go (solidworks and altium designer), and after a while onshape did what they did I moved to f360, now this .. I'm compiling the freeCAD so I can have the latest version as last available build is year old and it's rather active project from what I see on github... fingers crossed freeCAD will get the job done .. -
@Phaedrux said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
In my case paying for Fusion 360 isn't too offensive to me.
I pay for a lot of software and I don't mind, but that software makes money. I have a policy that for hobby stuff it needs to be in a "give-away" level or I'm not paying. I donated to octoprint more than I paid for simplify3d, it's "acceptable" as it is very useful, saves time etc etc ... s3d was best and saved time (back in the day, now is waporware
) .. f360 is just not worth it ... they all charge millions to commercial players (for e.g. company my brother worked for was paying cca 6 million us$ a year for solidworks, I know companies that pay 10-15M us$ per year for combo of katia, solidworks and proengineer) .. IMHO those companies should give hobby users access for free. Now they usually do it by releasing "fixes" (most of those illegal versions are IMHO released by them) 'cause infrastructure for on-prem apps is too complex but AutoCAD have this buttoned up, they can easily control what goes to free users but their decision to give #%^$^@% is a slap in the face IMHO so why not donate the $$$ I'd be willing to pay to F360 to freeCAD devs and have better open source product at the end of the day -
One other thing to add, I for e.g. work for Oracle ... now they are not the nicest nor the most loved company in the IT world BUT check out their philosophy on the software release. There is no "trial" version of ANY Oracle product. You can go and download ALL Oracle products FOR FREE without ANY limitation - so no registration, time limits, proof you are educators or a student ... nothing, you go to edelivery and you download whatever you want and it's 100% full version with all the bells and whistles with no limitations whatsoever.... as long as you do not use it for a commercial purpose!!! So you wanna learn - get and use for free, you wanna use for hobby, get and use for free, you wanna make money with it - pay up. They trust you will use it according to that agreement, there are no secret packages being sent by the app to say where it is running and what it's doing... but try to make money and their lawyers find out ...
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