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    • A Former User?
      A Former User @oliof
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      @oliof said in Smart Effector including toolboard-capabilities?:

      @CaLviNx Sealand and blurolls are one and the same. And you're right, there is no idler arm, on the thingiverse listing it's the Latch.

      Thank you for the update, that was why I asked.
      I have an adapter drawn up to allow fitment to the smart effector, I might try to see if I can sneak in a standard sized tool board (LC-1) in there too.

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      • Dougal1957undefined
        Dougal1957 @oliof
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        @oliof said in Smart Effector including toolboard-capabilities?:

        @dc42 if you ordered the blurolls version: Mine did come with off-spec holes for the axles since the original models are made for FDM tolerances but it's been made with SLS Nylon; re-printing the idler arm was sufficient to make everything fit.

        In what way where the holes off Spec (small or large)?

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        • oliofundefined
          oliof
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          @Dougal1957 the holes are too large (4.25mm diameter rather than 4mm). I printed a replacement latch in ASA and the axles just press fit nicely.

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          • Dougal1957undefined
            Dougal1957 @oliof
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            @oliof all 3 of mine came spot on both the 3mm hinge pin and 4mm idler shafts fit just fine so maybe they have tweaked there files to suit. All three did have packing issues mind the first came without the drive gears and the last 2 came without the feast couplings but Blurolls have sorted that issue out and I now have 3 fitted to the Jubilee ToolChanger

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            • A Former User?
              A Former User
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              Mine came in this past week with the shaft too small (2.9mm) and the holes on the arm too big (3.1mm)

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              • oliofundefined
                oliof @Dougal1957
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                @Dougal1957 good to hear they at least read my feedback (-:

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                • dc42undefined
                  dc42 administrators
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                  Mine came at last. The 4mm idler axle wouldn't fit into the latch at first, I had to ream out the hole at one end of the latch a little and then use a hammer to tap it into the other end. I have one long M3 screw and nut left over - no idea what those are for.

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                  • oliofundefined
                    oliof
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                    I used the new bolt and nut to attach the latch and have a leftover axle (-;

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                    • Dougal1957undefined
                      Dougal1957 @dc42
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                      @dc42 yeah I to had a longish M3 bolt and nut left over on all 3 of mine but they all did fit together nicely

                      doug

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                      • dc42undefined
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                        It's clear to me that the Orbiter could not be used with a Smart Effector made to the current dimensions. We would need to increase the rod spacing to at least 80mm in order to accommodate the various parts of the extruder. We are looking into this, however it would make it unsuitable for the smaller delta printers.

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                        • A Former User?
                          A Former User @dc42
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                          @dc42

                          The fix I made

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                          • dc42undefined
                            dc42 administrators
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                            Interesting! However, that reduces the printable height somewhat. What is the printable area of your delta, and how much would you lose if the rod spacing was increased to 80mm?

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                            • Dougal1957undefined
                              Dougal1957 @dc42
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                              @dc42 said in Smart Effector including toolboard-capabilities?:

                              Interesting! However, that reduces the printable height somewhat. What is the printable area of your delta, and how much would you lose if the rod spacing was increased to 80mm?

                              Personaly David I don't think I would lose any build volume at all my bed is 360 Diam I may lose a little bit of Z but not a lot (Our printers are pretty similar apart from mine is a bit wider and upside down and 450 long arms.

                              So if you want to try it at this size I can easily test one. as I did the first one.

                              Doug

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                                A Former User @dc42
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                                @dc42 said in Smart Effector including toolboard-capabilities?:

                                Interesting! However, that reduces the printable height somewhat. What is the printable area of your delta, and how much would you lose if the rod spacing was increased to 80mm?

                                I lost 45mm in print height, and coincidentally without even thinking about it or trying, my print height now exactly matches the print area of 320mm as I was slightly longer on my vertical rails anyway.

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                                • PCRundefined
                                  PCR
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                                  @dc42 found this too

                                  https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4648938

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                                  • bbergerundefined
                                    bberger
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                                    This topic is interesting!

                                    Ordered an Orbiter too. I'll want to use it in my Frankenstein Predator.

                                    Please keep us updated about possible Smart Effector updates - looking forward to this ❤

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators
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                                      We do plan to produce a combined Smart Effector and tool board, however we need to get another hardware project completed first.

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                                      • o_lampeundefined
                                        o_lampe @dc42
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                                        @dc42 said in Smart Effector including toolboard-capabilities?:

                                        It's clear to me that the Orbiter could not be used with a Smart Effector made to the current dimensions. We would need to increase the rod spacing to at least 80mm in order to accommodate the various parts of the extruder. We are looking into this, however it would make it unsuitable for the smaller delta printers.

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                                        Hi dc42,
                                        I just stumbled across this thread and wanted to guide you back to 2016 , when we discussed the cycloidal direct drive. (I still have it laying around)
                                        I've made an 45 degree adapter for it, that suited the smart effector pretty well.

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                                        Another way to mount it, was the split motor/gearbox idea.
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                                        I could try to reuse my motor and design a BMG-drive for the Smart effector?

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                                          apak
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                                          video_2021-02-11_00-13-44(1).mp4
                                          We are doing some prototyping, with a regular orbiter, changing some aspects of the body.

                                          It actually is a pivot extruder, so it can rotare freely within the rod arms...

                                          It´s not my doing, just a friend´s I am helping him to achive it

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                                          • dc42undefined
                                            dc42 administrators
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                                            Looks good!

                                            We do have plans to produce a combined Smart Effector and tool board. The main decision we need to take is how large to make it.

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