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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators @deckingman
      last edited by

      @deckingman said in Dual Z tilts after time (fast):

      The second option would be to drive both screws together via a single motor and continuous belt.

      Or stick with 2 motors, but connect them with a belt. The belt needs to prevent one motor moving by 4 full steps relative to the other.

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      • jens55undefined
        jens55
        last edited by

        Would you not get 'wind up' of the mechanics if you have two motors connected like that?

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        • deckingmanundefined
          deckingman @jens55
          last edited by

          @jens55 said in Dual Z tilts after time (fast):

          Would you not get 'wind up' of the mechanics if you have two motors connected like that?

          I would have thought so but perhaps it might not be significant?

          Ian
          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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          • AS-3D Druckundefined
            AS-3D Druck
            last edited by

            Ok i tryed the independent Leadscrews but it looks like 1mm correction isn't enough. 😲

            	G32 Error: Some computed corrections exceed configured limit of 1.00mm: -2.080 2.814
            

            Best regards
            AS-3D Druck / Andre

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
              last edited by

              see
              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M671_Define_positions_of_Z_leadscrews_or_bed_levelling_screws
              S parameter

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              • AS-3D Druckundefined
                AS-3D Druck @Veti
                last edited by

                @Veti Thx i tryed 5mm now and it works.

                From now on i should use in my start Gcode before every Print G32 S2 right?

                Best regards
                AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                • Vetiundefined
                  Veti @AS-3D Druck
                  last edited by

                  @AS-3D-Druck said in Dual Z tilts after time (fast):

                  From now on i should use in my start Gcode before every Print G32 S2 right?

                  it depends on your bed.
                  if its perfectly flat yes.

                  if not use
                  G32 followed by G29

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                  • AS-3D Druckundefined
                    AS-3D Druck
                    last edited by

                    Ok i don't know what happend but now my Homing has flipped from front left to back right. (Stall Detection)

                    I don't know why it worked yesterday and now not.

                    Best regards
                    AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                    • Vetiundefined
                      Veti
                      last edited by

                      do the normal moves are in the correct direction?
                      if yes -> check your homing file moves
                      if no -> change direction of motors in the config

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                      • AS-3D Druckundefined
                        AS-3D Druck
                        last edited by AS-3D Druck

                        This is how it homes
                        change dirrection.png

                        This is how i home all:

                        ; Lift Z relative to current position
                        G91
                        G1 Z10 F6000 S2
                        G90
                        
                        M913 X50 Y50						; reduce motor current to 50% to prevent belts slipping
                        G91							; use relative positioning
                        
                        ; X
                        G1 S1 X-500 F4000					; move the X to max until it detects the min Point
                        G92 X0							; set X min Point
                        G1 S1 X30						; move X away from min Point
                        
                        M400
                        
                        ; Y
                        G1 S1 Y-500 F4000					; move the X to max until it detects the min Point
                        G92 Y0							; set X min Point
                        G1 S1 Y30						; move X away from min Point
                        
                        G90							; back to absolute positioning
                        M913 X100 Y100 Z100					; motor currents back to normal
                        
                        ; Z
                        G1 S1 X168 Y95 F2000 					; put head over the centre of the bed, or wherever you want to probe
                        G30            			    			; lower head, stop when probe triggered and set Z to trigger height
                        
                        G91                					; relative mode
                        G1 Z10 F6000 S2       					; raise head 4mm to ensure it is above the Z probe trigger height
                        G90                					; back to absolute mode
                        

                        config: https://pastebin.com/gFtv1wM7

                        Best regards
                        AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                        • deckingmanundefined
                          deckingman @AS-3D Druck
                          last edited by

                          @AS-3D-Druck Do the motors still move in the right correct directions? i.e. when you do G1 S1 X-500, does it still move to the left? And when you do G1 S1 Y-500, does it still move to the front?

                          Ian
                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                          • AS-3D Druckundefined
                            AS-3D Druck @deckingman
                            last edited by AS-3D Druck

                            @deckingman said in Dual Z tilts after time (fast):

                            @AS-3D-Druck Do the motors still move in the right correct directions? i.e. when you do G1 S1 X-500, does it still move to the left? And when you do G1 S1 Y-500, does it still move to the front?

                            It does not move at all in - only in+ but there is no room for any Movement so it cares in the Extrusion.

                            The coordinates are set wrong for some reason 😵

                            btw. i added on my Post before the config.g
                            config: https://pastebin.com/gFtv1wM7

                            Best regards
                            AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                            • NitroFreakundefined
                              NitroFreak
                              last edited by

                              You might want to consider joining the two leadscrews with a belt

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                              • Vetiundefined
                                Veti
                                last edited by

                                @AS-3D-Druck said in Dual Z tilts after time (fast):

                                It does not move at all in - only in+ but there is no room for any Movement so it cares in the Extrusion.

                                this does not answer the question.

                                move the extruder to the middle
                                issue M564 H0
                                and see if the movement are as expeded.
                                ie x - goes left x+ goes right

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                                • AS-3D Druckundefined
                                  AS-3D Druck @Veti
                                  last edited by

                                  @Veti No it does nit everything in - isn't working except i use M564 H0 than i can manualy move it to the middle but homing does still not work anymore.

                                  Best regards
                                  AS-3D Druck / Andre

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                                  • deckingmanundefined
                                    deckingman @AS-3D Druck
                                    last edited by

                                    @AS-3D-Druck Starting with the print head in the middle step through your homing fie one line at a time but you can ignore the Z axis for now. So send M913 X50 Y50 to reduce the motor currents. Then send G91 to set relative positioning. Then send G1 S1 X-500 F4000 and tell us if the head moves to the left as it should or does it do something else?

                                    Ian
                                    https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                    https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                    • AS-3D Druckundefined
                                      AS-3D Druck @deckingman
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                                      @deckingman said in Dual Z tilts after time (fast):

                                      @AS-3D-Druck Starting with the print head in the middle step through your homing fie one line at a time but you can ignore the Z axis for now. So send M913 X50 Y50 to reduce the motor currents. Then send G91 to set relative positioning. Then send G1 S1 X-500 F4000 and tell us if the head moves to the left as it should or does it do something else?

                                      Ok maybe i found the Issue here:

                                      ; X
                                      G1 S1 X-500 F4000
                                      

                                      I had to send 3-4 times this command until it started to move to the min point.
                                      Bevore that i heared only a tock after i send the command.... like there was already something that the stall detection noticed.

                                      I don't know my Motors are rated for 1.3A and i set them to 1A and reduced it to 50%.
                                      Now i played with M915 and increased the S Value from 3 to 8 to 10.

                                      It looks like that was the Problem.

                                      Thx alot for the help and i will try my next print with this new "Setup". 😊
                                      You're Guys are awesome. 👍

                                      Best regards
                                      AS-3D Druck / Andre

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