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    A Former User
    last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 17:10

    i think weather or not the lever improves the repeatability comes down to the rigidity of the whole lever and pivot point.

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      zapta @A Former User
      last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 20:07

      @bearer, let's say that the lever is perfect and the core switch has repeatability error X, doesn't that error multiplied by leverage ratio of the lever?

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        A Former User @zapta
        last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 20:10

        @zapta hm, maybe I read the chart up there wrong, but seemed omrom with lever was less accurate and crouzet was more accurate - as such I assumed it had more to do with the quality of the lever than the lever itself. (could be wrong ofc)

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          arhi
          last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 21:03

          1. lever must be stiff, normally on these switches lever is springy intentionally as accuracy is not really important

          2. you want to probe with SHORT end of the lever, normally these switches probe with long end of the lever, again, accuracy is not important for normal use and long lever reduce force required to press the spring

          so what you need to do is reverse it, use stiff lever and use a lever that's short on the probe side and long on the trigger side, this way you increase force required to press the lever (not a problem on our gear) and increase precision

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            mrehorstdmd
            last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 21:32

            Before I made the differential screw/optical endstop for the Z axis, I used a lever and cam to bump a microswitch. The lever position effectively reduced movement of the adjuster screw by about 1:8 and gave me approximately 100 um/turn of the screw similar to the differential screw. The difference is that the cam was not linear or very predictable, where the differential screw is.

            You can see the adjuster on the far right side of this picture:

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            One reason I wanted to switch to an optical endstop was that the printed plastic lever/cam eventually got damaged by bumping the switch too hard.

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            It would probably still be OK if it were made of metal, or it might have broken the switch mount. Putting limit switches in direct opposition to the motion is generally a bad idea.

            https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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              zapta @mrehorstdmd
              last edited by 1 Apr 2020, 23:53

              For resume after power outage I wonder is a completely different approach would work.

              1. When detecting power outage printer move itself to closest full step.
              2. Printer writes its position to a non volatile memory.
              3. On resume from power outage, printer energizes steppers at a full step and read the last stepper location from non volatile memory.
              4. (optional) Printer sanity check the resumed location by homing using a non accurate switch/sensor.
              5. Printer is now accurately resumed without using an accurate sensor.
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                Danal
                last edited by 2 Apr 2020, 00:46

                Only if the printer doesn't move when the motors are de-energized. Some don't. Many do.

                Delta / Kossel printer fanatic

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                  fcwilt
                  last edited by 2 Apr 2020, 04:14

                  Hi,

                  I have both a optical Z axis end stop sensor and a BLTouch.

                  I use the end stop sensor to do a high speed homing to within 5mm (appx) of the bed.

                  Later I set Z=0 using the BLTouch.

                  Frederick

                  Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                    3DPMicro
                    last edited by 2 Apr 2020, 22:48

                    i use these proximity sensors https://www.ia.omron.com/product/item/1017/ on my micro mill and one of my printers. Havent checked the printer but the mill repeats within .003-.006mm. Far more accurate than a printer needs but better is good. Aside from being very repeatable I like the small, 3mm diameter sensor and the remote amp with LED indicator. They do have other models with a larger, threaded sensor. Cheap too. Never paid more than $15 for one and recently bought 5 for $40 with free shipping. All new.

                    Duet controlled Lathe, micro mill, 3d printer and 1992 Haas VF2 VMC

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                      fcwilt @3DPMicro
                      last edited by 3 Apr 2020, 03:20

                      @3DPMicro said in For anyone still using endstop switches...:
                      Cheap too. Never paid more than $15 for one...

                      Where are you seeing those prices?

                      I did a few quick checks with my normal suppliers and am seeing prices in the $130-$160 range.

                      Thanks.

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                        3DPMicro @fcwilt
                        last edited by 3DPMicro 4 Mar 2020, 03:49 3 Apr 2020, 03:40

                        @fcwilt ebay. You may have to wait for the right deal but it will come.
                        Edit #2- Don't know about posting (US) eBay links here so I won't but I just checked and the seller I bought from is still selling them for $8.01 each. New.

                        Duet controlled Lathe, micro mill, 3d printer and 1992 Haas VF2 VMC

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                          Phaedrux Moderator @3DPMicro
                          last edited by 3 Apr 2020, 06:15

                          @3DPMicro said in For anyone still using endstop switches...:

                          Don't know about posting (US) eBay links here so I won't but I just checked and the seller I bought from is still selling them for $8.01 each. New.

                          Go for it. It's in context.

                          Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                            JoergS5
                            last edited by JoergS5 4 Mar 2020, 09:02 3 Apr 2020, 07:20

                            I'm thinking about building one myself like a 3d probe, but the long rod 90 degree angled like:
                            3dprobeangled.jpg
                            This should be very precise.

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                              3DPMicro @Phaedrux
                              last edited by 3 Apr 2020, 10:36

                              https://www.ebay.com/itm/1Pcs-New-Omron-Proximity-Switch-E2EC-CR5C1-E2ECCR5C1-rg/263671185856?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

                              Duet controlled Lathe, micro mill, 3d printer and 1992 Haas VF2 VMC

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                                fcwilt @3DPMicro
                                last edited by 3 Apr 2020, 11:43

                                @3DPMicro

                                Thanks.

                                Have you seen any of the units that are normally closed for sale?

                                Frederick

                                Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                  mrehorstdmd @JoergS5
                                  last edited by 3 Apr 2020, 11:59

                                  @JoergS5 What is that?

                                  https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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                                    JoergS5 @mrehorstdmd
                                    last edited by JoergS5 4 Mar 2020, 13:45 3 Apr 2020, 13:36

                                    @mrehorstdmd Something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prb60JoxQSQ but as endstop. The three red pairs (often steel balls) are electrically connected with the shaft, a small movement lifts the shaft, disconnecting. I find it interesting because it doesn't bend anything at contact, should be repeatable.

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                                      3DPMicro @fcwilt
                                      last edited by 3DPMicro 4 Mar 2020, 22:17 3 Apr 2020, 22:16

                                      @fcwilt I have not. Might look on Omrons site, see if they offer one and then check eBay.

                                      Duet controlled Lathe, micro mill, 3d printer and 1992 Haas VF2 VMC

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                                        AJ Quick
                                        last edited by 4 Apr 2020, 00:38

                                        Have any similar tests been done on the Prusa i3 MK3 with the layer shift detection and homing, without using any limit switches?

                                        (I'm in favor of limit switches, but think it is pretty cool if it works without them!)

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                                          imrj
                                          last edited by 6 Apr 2020, 18:49

                                          wouldnt optical anything be a problem given we usually dont have printers in a super clean area? I mean mine isnt dirty, but sure not dust free....
                                          my home water treatment system used an optical sensor for something (forgot what it was) but it used to go out like once every 6 months....it uses something else now.....

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