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    peter247
    last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 19:53

    So what is the advantages over the duet wifi 2 ?

    Ender 5 plus linear rail and hemera powered by duet 2 wifi , CR10s pro v1 with bltouch mostly stock , BLV mgn Cube slowly being built powered by duet 3 mini 5+

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      pixelpieper @dc42
      last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 19:54

      @dc42 fair enough, makes sense! Thanks for the update and super quick response. Really excited for this new iteration!

      Voron V2.434 / Duet 3 Mini5+, Duet 3 Expansion Mini 2+, Duet 1LC V1.1 Toolboard
      Voron V0.250 / Duet 2 Maestro

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        dc42 administrators @peter247
        last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 20:11

        @peter247 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

        So what is the advantages over the duet wifi 2 ?

        • More modern stepper drivers, supporting stealthChop and interpolation to x256 from any input microstepping
        • Lower cost expansion if you just need 1 or 2 more stepper drivers
        • Interface for Raspberry Pi or other single-board computer
        • Double the flash memory and RAM, facilitating more firmware expansion in the future
        • Expansion via CAN
        • Support for mini-12864 displays as well as PanelDue
        • Barrier strip VIN and bed connectors instead of terminal blocks
        • Supports 4 fans instead of 3, two of them optionally with tachos
        • Lower cost (we hope!)

        Disadvantages compared to Duet WiFi:

        • Not expandable to more than 7 drivers, 3 heaters and 4 fans without using the CAN bus
        • Not compatible with more than two external stepper drivers, except via CAN
        • Lower maximum motor current
        • Fan cooling required at lower motor currents than for Duet 2
        • Only one 2-channel temperature daughter board supported instead of two

        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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          antlestxp
          last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 20:26

          is it strange that I am eagerly looking forward to replace my perfectly functional maestro?

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            peter247 @dc42
            last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 20:32

            @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

            Expansion via CAN

            Expansion is more limited, it does not support the CAN-FD bus

            Can you use the CAN tool board on it ?.

            Ender 5 plus linear rail and hemera powered by duet 2 wifi , CR10s pro v1 with bltouch mostly stock , BLV mgn Cube slowly being built powered by duet 3 mini 5+

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              T3P3Tony administrators
              last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 20:35

              @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

              The biggest change we've made is to add CAN bus support. This places the new board firmly in the Duet 3 family, and it will allow the Mini 5+ to communicate with existing and forthcoming Duet 3 expansion boards. Expansion will be limited compared to the Duet 3 MB6HC because of the less powerful processor and reduced amount of RAM - in particular, the maximum supported number of CAN-connected stepper drivers will be
              reduced - but (for example) it will be possible to connect several Duet 3 tool boards to a Mini 5+.

              it supports CAN-FD so yes it will support our Duet 3 tool boards

              www.duet3d.com

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                cabal2000 @antlestxp
                last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 20:35

                @antlestxp Nope, I am with you brother!! can't wait.

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                  peter247 @T3P3Tony
                  last edited by 24 Aug 2020, 20:46

                  @T3P3Tony

                  The biggest change we've made is to add CAN bus support , now that as become useful .

                  Ender 5 plus linear rail and hemera powered by duet 2 wifi , CR10s pro v1 with bltouch mostly stock , BLV mgn Cube slowly being built powered by duet 3 mini 5+

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                    wesc
                    last edited by wesc 24 Aug 2020, 22:10

                    @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                    We have reduced the stepper driver support from 5+3 to 5+2. T

                    Deal killer for me. Oh well. I was excited for this board. It was going to be the recommended board for CroXY.

                    CroXY - Crossed Gantry Printer, Ultibots D300VS+, Custom CoreXYU

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                      Veti @wesc
                      last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 05:25

                      @wesc

                      with the addition of the canbus, you can add extension board with additional steppers like this
                      https://www.duet3d.com/Duet3Expansion3HC

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                        DIY-O-Sphere @dc42
                        last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 09:49

                        @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                        The biggest change we've made is to add CAN bus support.

                        Perfect!
                        That gives many new options for adaption. Even upgrading the main board to a 6HC, as one can leve the CAN based expansion boards untouched...or reuse them.
                        That makes it also easyer for beginners...
                        Start with a Mini++ and expand the hardware step by step to the level of experience...
                        The appetite comes while eating....

                        (UTC+1)

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                          dc42 administrators @wesc
                          last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 09:54

                          @wesc said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                          @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                          We have reduced the stepper driver support from 5+3 to 5+2. T

                          Deal killer for me. Oh well. I was excited for this board. It was going to be the recommended board for CroXY.

                          How were you using 8 motors? Dual X, dual Y, triple Z and one extruder perhaps? If so then you could put a Tool Board on the print carriage, which would provide the 8th stepper driver and greatly reduce the number of wires going to the print carriage.

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                          http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                            jallen810
                            last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 17:24

                            @dc42 Is it possible to get my hands on a Duet3 Mini now and help with testing or is that closed?

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                              dc42 administrators @jallen810
                              last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 20:11

                              @jallen810 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                              @dc42 Is it possible to get my hands on a Duet3 Mini now and help with testing or is that closed?

                              We have a small number of generation 1 prototypes available. Our priority for those is existing and potential OEM customers. The version 1 prototypes do not support CAN, and the firmware for them doesn't include stall detection.

                              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                              http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                jallen810
                                last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 20:13

                                @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                                We have a small number of generation 1 prototypes a

                                What's the price on them?

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                                  dc42 administrators @jallen810
                                  last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 20:32

                                  @jallen810 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                                  @dc42 said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                                  We have a small number of generation 1 prototypes a

                                  What's the price on them?

                                  About the same as gold dust?

                                  Seriously, these are most definitely not for end users, only for OEMs to evaluate. We are supplying them to selected OEMS free of charge, because will drop firmware support for them once we make the pre-production boards available. If you are an OEM, then feel free to contact us by PM or email - although I don't know whether we have any boards still available.

                                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                  http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                    jallen810 @dc42
                                    last edited by 25 Aug 2020, 20:59

                                    @dc42 ah okay fair enough! I’m by no means an OEM. They need them due development for sure.

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                                      Veti @dc42
                                      last edited by 28 Aug 2020, 06:58

                                      @dc42

                                      are you doing an updated version of the smart effector with canbus?

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                                        dc42 administrators @Veti
                                        last edited by 28 Aug 2020, 07:05

                                        @Veti said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ : Initial announcement:

                                        @dc42

                                        are you doing an updated version of the smart effector with canbus?

                                        Not yet. It would only make sense IMO in conjunction with a very low mass extruder drive. However, you could mount a Tool Board on a flying extruder.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                          Veti @dc42
                                          last edited by 28 Aug 2020, 07:14

                                          @dc42
                                          like a hemera with a smaller motor?

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