Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help

[oc_geek]

@dc42 said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

The correct way to cool the drivers is to use a fan to blow air along the line of drivers, in particular cooling the underside of the PCBs.

Would this do ? or better rotated ACW 90*

[dc42]

@oc_geek, this is where I would put an electronics cooling fan:

However, 1200mA per driver isn't a high current. Are the driver chips getting hot?

[oc_geek]

@dc42 said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@oc_geek, this is where I would put an electronics cooling fan:

However, 1200mA per driver isn't a high current. Are the driver chips getting hot?

Honestly hard to say those are sitting upside down in the electronic bay below 35Kg of metal and plastic enclosure...

I may rotate the card 90 degrees if that helps... but again... i do print in 3.3beta1 without mesh and without forcing any modes and so on...
the issues comes when mesh get enabled ...then axis go crazy

[dc42]

@oc_geek, if you print with mesh bed compensation turned off then standstill current reduction will kick in on the Z axis.

Can you hold your finger on the Z driver chips while the machine is printing with bed compensation enabled? If you can't because they are too hot, then you probably need better cooling or lower current.

[oc_geek]

@dc42 said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@oc_geek, if you print with mesh bed compensation turned off then standstill current reduction will kick in on the Z axis.

Can you hold your finger on the Z driver chips while the machine is printing with bed compensation enabled? If you can't because they are too hot, then you probably need better cooling or lower current.

there are 1000(s) Voron 2 out there (made at spec) and none have these issues... perhaps those use different hw though...

[carcamerarig]

@oc_geek said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@dc42 said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@oc_geek, please load the firmware at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dupd9u1xppr1om5/AADYg4guuj2n8LJokVqtK-C7a?dl=0. When you observe the problem, pause the print and run the following command for values of # from 0 to 4:

M569.2 P# E0

Post the results here.

I'm sorry but i moved away from the beta
and went back in 3.3 beta 1 without mesh....

At some point also homing went crazy and
G1 X... F360 H1
was stopping in the middle of the rail without the sensor beeng actually triggered... i had to power off twice to get it back to normal....

@droftarts I encountered this and also on Thursday, how did we overcome it?

[SputnikOC3d]

@carcamerarig said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

was stopping in the middle of the rail without the sensor beeng actually triggered... i had to power off twice to get it back to normal....

Sensitivity in homing files too low or motor current reductions in homing files - too low

• false stallguard like trigger appears - no ?

Youre on a voron with no stallguard useage - is the new fw youre usingor the config.g used have it on ?

[SputnikOC3d]

@oc_geek said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@dc42 said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@oc_geek, if you print with mesh bed compensation turned off then standstill current reduction will kick in on the Z axis.

Can you hold your finger on the Z driver chips while the machine is printing with bed compensation enabled? If you can't because they are too hot, then you probably need better cooling or lower current.

there are 1000(s) Voron 2 out there (made at spec) and none have these issues... perhaps those use different hw though...

very few of them on Duet 5+ - MOST on dual skr's - locked in stealthchop

[carcamerarig]

@droftarts @dc42

Finished configuring homing, reset the pinda height after Wednesdays crashes and levelled the gantry. New mesh map

1st print much the same as before quite disappointed... Travel bangs and layer shifts.

1st bang / layer shift

M122
=== Diagnostics ===
RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 Mini 5+ version 3.3beta2+2 (2021-04-14 10:44:57) running on Duet 3 Mini5plus WiFi (standalone mode)
Board ID: Z9NZN-A296U-D65J0-40KM4-LY03Z-ZPQPD
Used output buffers: 3 of 40 (21 max)
=== RTOS ===
Static ram: 100040
Dynamic ram: 106340 of which 32 recycled
Never used RAM 34436, free system stack 122 words
Tasks: NETWORK(ready,218) HEAT(delaying,294) CanReceiv(notifyWait,944) CanSender(notifyWait,357) CanClock(delaying,334) TMC(delaying,101) MAIN(running,312) IDLE(ready,20) AIN(notifyWait,266)
Owned mutexes: WiFi(NETWORK)
=== Platform ===
Last reset 00:25:10 ago, cause: software
Last software reset at 2021-04-17 19:23, reason: User, GCodes spinning, available RAM 34436, slot 2
Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x00000000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x00000000 Task MAIN Freestk 0 n/a
Error status: 0x00
Aux0 errors 0,0,0
Aux1 errors 0,0,0
MCU revision 3, ADC conversions started 1764656, completed 1764655, timed out 0, errs 0
Step timer max interval 75166
Supply voltage: min 23.4, current 23.8, max 24.0, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
Heap OK, handles allocated/used 99/2, heap memory allocated/used/recyclable 2048/1676/1622, gc cycles 17
Driver 0: position 17636, ok, SG min/max 0/504, read errors 0, write errors 1, ifcnt 109, reads 12101, writes 23, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 1: position 10232, ok, SG min/max 0/442, read errors 0, write errors 1, ifcnt 107, reads 12101, writes 23, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 2: position 389, ok, SG min/max 0/278, read errors 0, write errors 1, ifcnt 101, reads 12100, writes 24, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 3: position 0, ok, SG min/max 0/462, read errors 0, write errors 1, ifcnt 73, reads 12111, writes 13, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 4: position 0, ok, SG min/max 0/286, read errors 0, write errors 1, ifcnt 102, reads 12100, writes 24, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 5: position 0, assumed not present
Driver 6: position 0, assumed not present
Date/time: 2021-04-17 19:49:01
Cache data hit count 2379678593
Slowest loop: 999.96ms; fastest: 0.07ms
=== Storage ===
Free file entries: 9
SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 22.5MBytes/sec
SD card longest read time 97.9ms, write time 5.2ms, max retries 0
=== Move ===
DMs created 83, maxWait 373533ms, bed compensation in use: mesh, comp offset 0.000
=== MainDDARing ===
Scheduled moves 2790, completed moves 2750, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 91, 3], CDDA state 3
=== AuxDDARing ===
Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
=== Heat ===
Bed heaters = 0 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1
Heater 0 is on, I-accum = 0.3
Heater 1 is on, I-accum = 0.6
=== GCodes ===
Segments left: 1
Movement lock held by null
HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
File is doing "G1 X85.789 Y50.722 E0.02063" in state(s) 0
USB is idle in state(s) 0
Aux is idle in state(s) 0
Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
Queue is idle in state(s) 0
LCD is idle in state(s) 0
SBC is idle in state(s) 0
Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
Aux2 is idle in state(s) 0
Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
Code queue is empty.
=== Filament sensors ===
Extruder 0 sensor: ok
=== CAN ===
Messages queued 13770, send timeouts 13766, received 0, lost 0, longest wait 0ms for reply type 0, peak Tx sync delay 0, free buffers 17 (min 16)
Last cancelled message type 4514 dest 127
=== Network ===
Slowest loop: 172.97ms; fastest: 0.00ms
Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
- WiFi -
Network state is active
WiFi module is connected to access point 
Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 0
WiFi firmware version 1.25beta0
WiFi MAC address f4:cf:a2:6f:e9:78
WiFi Vcc 3.36, reset reason Power up
WiFi flash size 2097152, free heap 26400
WiFi IP address 192.168.1.226
WiFi signal strength -39dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
Clock register 00002002
Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

@nd bang / layer shift

M122
=== Diagnostics ===
RepRapFirmware for Duet 3 Mini 5+ version 3.3beta2+2 (2021-04-14 10:44:57) running on Duet 3 Mini5plus WiFi (standalone mode)
Board ID: Z9NZN-A296U-D65J0-40KM4-LY03Z-ZPQPD
Used output buffers: 3 of 40 (27 max)
=== RTOS ===
Static ram: 100040
Dynamic ram: 106340 of which 32 recycled
Never used RAM 34436, free system stack 121 words
Tasks: NETWORK(ready,218) HEAT(delaying,294) CanReceiv(notifyWait,944) CanSender(notifyWait,357) CanClock(delaying,334) TMC(delaying,101) MAIN(running,312) IDLE(ready,20) AIN(notifyWait,266)
Owned mutexes: WiFi(NETWORK)
=== Platform ===
Last reset 00:28:03 ago, cause: software
Last software reset at 2021-04-17 19:23, reason: User, GCodes spinning, available RAM 34436, slot 2
Software reset code 0x0003 HFSR 0x00000000 CFSR 0x00000000 ICSR 0x00000000 BFAR 0xe000ed38 SP 0x00000000 Task MAIN Freestk 0 n/a
Error status: 0x00
Aux0 errors 0,0,0
Aux1 errors 0,0,0
MCU revision 3, ADC conversions started 1961893, completed 1961892, timed out 0, errs 0
Step timer max interval 26171
Supply voltage: min 23.4, current 23.6, max 23.9, under voltage events: 0, over voltage events: 0, power good: yes
Heap OK, handles allocated/used 99/2, heap memory allocated/used/recyclable 2048/1820/1766, gc cycles 19
Driver 0: position 39096, ok, SG min/max 0/488, read errors 0, write errors 0, ifcnt 109, reads 8647, writes 0, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 1: position 13324, ok, SG min/max 0/452, read errors 0, write errors 0, ifcnt 107, reads 8647, writes 0, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 2: position 926, ok, SG min/max 0/296, read errors 0, write errors 0, ifcnt 101, reads 8647, writes 0, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 3: position 0, ok, SG min/max 2/494, read errors 0, write errors 0, ifcnt 73, reads 8647, writes 0, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 4: position 0, ok, SG min/max 0/264, read errors 0, write errors 0, ifcnt 102, reads 8647, writes 0, timeouts 0, DMA errors 0
Driver 5: position 0, assumed not present
Driver 6: position 0, assumed not present
Date/time: 2021-04-17 19:51:54
Cache data hit count 2620336000
Slowest loop: 87.33ms; fastest: 0.09ms
=== Storage ===
Free file entries: 9
SD card 0 detected, interface speed: 22.5MBytes/sec
SD card longest read time 85.1ms, write time 0.0ms, max retries 0
=== Move ===
DMs created 83, maxWait 0ms, bed compensation in use: mesh, comp offset 0.000
=== MainDDARing ===
Scheduled moves 10602, completed moves 10562, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 125, 0], CDDA state 3
=== AuxDDARing ===
Scheduled moves 0, completed moves 0, hiccups 0, stepErrors 0, LaErrors 0, Underruns [0, 0, 0], CDDA state -1
=== Heat ===
Bed heaters = 0 -1, chamberHeaters = -1 -1
Heater 0 is on, I-accum = 0.3
Heater 1 is on, I-accum = 0.6
=== GCodes ===
Segments left: 1
Movement lock held by null
HTTP is idle in state(s) 0
Telnet is idle in state(s) 0
File is doing "G1 X172.165 Y56.722 E0.02599" in state(s) 0
USB is idle in state(s) 0
Aux is idle in state(s) 0
Trigger is idle in state(s) 0
Queue is idle in state(s) 0
LCD is idle in state(s) 0
SBC is idle in state(s) 0
Daemon is idle in state(s) 0
Aux2 is idle in state(s) 0
Autopause is idle in state(s) 0
Code queue is empty.
=== Filament sensors ===
Extruder 0 sensor: ok
=== CAN ===
Messages queued 1557, send timeouts 1557, received 0, lost 0, longest wait 0ms for reply type 0, peak Tx sync delay 0, free buffers 17 (min 17)
Last cancelled message type 4514 dest 127
=== Network ===
Slowest loop: 221.97ms; fastest: 0.08ms
Responder states: HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) HTTP(0) FTP(0) Telnet(0), 0 sessions
HTTP sessions: 1 of 8
- WiFi -
Network state is active
WiFi module is connected to access point 
Failed messages: pending 0, notready 0, noresp 1
WiFi firmware version 1.25beta0
WiFi MAC address f4:cf:a2:6f:e9:78
WiFi Vcc 3.36, reset reason Power up
WiFi flash size 2097152, free heap 21784
WiFi IP address 192.168.1.226
WiFi signal strength -40dBm, mode 802.11n, reconnections 0, sleep mode modem
Clock register 00002002
Socket states: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Post print states.

M569 P0.0
Drive 0 runs in reverse, active low enable, timing fast, mode stealthChop, ccr 0x00053, toff 3, tblank 0, tpwmthrs 0 (inf mm/sec), pwmScaleSum 48, pwmScaleAuto 0, pwmOfsAuto 223, pwmGradAuto 34, pos 644

M569 P0.1
Drive 1 runs in reverse, active low enable, timing fast, mode stealthChop, ccr 0x00053, toff 3, tblank 0, tpwmthrs 0 (inf mm/sec), pwmScaleSum 45, pwmScaleAuto 0, pwmOfsAuto 210, pwmGradAuto 34, pos 132

; General preferences
G90                                         ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83                                         ; ...but relative extruder moves

; Network
M550 P"Duet Caribou 420"                        	; Set machine name
M552 S1                                     	; Enable network
;*** Access point is configured manually via M587
;M586 P0 S1                                  ; Enable HTTP
;M586 P1 S0                                  ; Disable FTP
;M586 P2 S0                                  ; Disable Telnet
M575 P1 S1 B57600							; Panel Due

; Drive Mappings
M569 P0.0 S0 D3 V0                             ; Drive 0: X Axis
M569 P0.1 S0 D3 V0                             ; Drive 1: Y Axis
M569 P0.2 S0 D3 V0                             ; Drive 2:  Z Axis
M569 P0.3 S0 D3 V0                             ; Drive 3: E Axis
M569 P0.4 S0 D3 V0                             ; Drive 4: E1 used for Z1

; Motor remapping for dual Z and axis Limits
M584 X0 Y1 Z2:4 E3				; two Z motors connected to driver outputs Z and E1
M671 X-37:287 Y0:0 S4			; leadscrews at left (connected to Z) and right (connected to E1) of X axis

; Micrpstepping and Speed
M350 X32 Y32 E16 Z16 I1                     ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X200.00 Y200.00 Z400.00 E830.00         ; Set steps per mm

; Speeds, Acceleration and Jerk
M566 X900 Y900 Z25.00 E600.00 P1      ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z720.00 E1200.00     ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z1200.00 E4000.00     ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)

; Motor currents
M906 X700.00 Y700.00 Z700.00 E700.00 I20    ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in percent X,Y,Z=1000/1.414 E=1400/1.414
M84 S30                                     ; Set idle timeout

; Printer geometry
M208 X0:250 Y-4:215 Z-0.5:410               ; Axis Limits
M564 H0							            ; allow unhomed movement

; Endstops for each Axis
M574 X1 S3								 	; Set endstops controlled by motor load detection
M574 Y1 S3                               	; Set endstops controlled by motor load detection

; Stallgaurd Sensitivy
;M915 X S-2 F0 H200 R0		                ; Set X axis Sensitivity  MOVED TO HOMEALL.G
;M915 Y S15 F0 H200 R0		                ; Set y axis Sensitivity 

; Input Shaper
;M593 F58.5 P4 S0.2  ; Input Shaping 3.3/3.4
;M593 F54.26

; Z-Probe Super PINDA
M574 Z1 S0 ; Set endstops controlled by probe
M558 P5 C"^io3.in" I1 H1 F500 T4800 A30 S0.004

; Mesh Grid 
M557 X24:221 Y10:195 P8	                         ; Define mesh grid for probing

; Sheets
;G31 P1000 X23 Y5 Z1.730 	                    ; Satin Sheet
G31 P1000 X23 Y5 Z1.95 	  	                  ; Textured Sheet 
;G31 P1000 X23 Y5 Z1.445 					    ; PEI Sheet
;G31 P1000 X23 Y5 Z1.445 					    ; PEI Sheet 0.6 nozzle -10 offset


; Heatbed Heaters and Thermistor Bed 
M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.060000e-8       ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0 Bed
M950 H0 C"out0" T0 Q10					                        ; Creates Bed Heater Qnn PWM frequency in Hz. Valid range: 0-65535, default: 500. (optional) 10hz stopped clicking
M307 H0 R0.273 C345.3 D10.89 S1.00 V23.8 B0						; PID 3.2
M140 H0										                    ; Bed uses Heater 0
M143 H0 S120                                                    ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C Bed

; HotEnd Heaters and Thermistor HotEnd      
M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T500000 B4725 C1.19622e-7	       	; define E0 temperature sensor e3d
M950 H1 C"out1" T1 						                            ; Create HotEnd Heater
M307 H1 R2.383 C178.5:130.6 D5.32 S1.00 V23.9 B0						; PID
M143 H1 S285                                                    	; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 285C HotEnd
M302 S185 R185

; Fans
M950 F1 C"out5" Q250				; Creates HOTEND Fan
M106 P1 T45 S235 H1                 ; HOTEND Fan Settings
M950 F0 C"out6" Q100				; Creates PARTS COOLING FAN
M106 P0 H-1                         ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off PARTS COOLING FAN

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                            ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                             ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0                                ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; StealthCop calibration - MOVED TO HOMEALL.G
; M17
; G4 P150
; G1 X2 Y2 Z2 F2000 	
; G4 S2
; M84 ; disable motors

; Filament Sensor Logic
M98 P"0:/macros/02_Functions/StartupFilamentSensorCheck"  ; Runout Sensor Logic: Startup with filament = runout sensor active   Startup without filament = autoload active

; homeall.g
; called to home all axes

M400
M18

; Stallgaurd Sensitivy
M915 X S1 F0 H200 R0		                ; Set X axis Sensitivity  
M915 Y S2 F0 H200 R0		                ; Set y axis Sensitivity 


; StealthCop calibration
M17
G4 P150
G91
G1 H2 X2 Y2 Z2 F2000 	
G90
G4 S1

M913 X80 Y80 Z100							; set X Y Z motors to 50% of their normal current

G91										    ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F800								; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X-255 F3600							; move quickly to X and Y axis endstops and stop there (first pass)
G1 H1 Y-225 F3600							; move quickly to X and Y axis endstops and stop there (first pass)
G90

M913 X100 Y100 Z100							; set X Y Z motors to 100% of their normal current

G1 X104 Y100 F3800							; put head over the centre of the bed, or wherever you want to probe
G30											; lower head, stop when probe triggered and set Z to trigger height

[droftarts]

@carcamerarig hmm, yes, very disappointing, sorry this still isn’t resolved. As you seem to be able to reproduce the problem very reliably, can you update to the firmware from this post https://forum.duet3d.com/post/226010 and report using the commands @dc42 says? The only way we’re going to be able to fix it is to catch the fault in reporting.

For adjusting the homing, I basically ended up doing what @SputnikOC3d says; I set the sensitivity to M915 S1, then adjusted the current reduction in homing until it stalled correctly. I tried it the other way round, setting a low current and then trying to set sensitivity, but couldn’t get it to stall reliably.

Edit: looks like the layer shift is just in X?

Ian

[alankilian]

@droftarts

I wonder if you could get one of those stepper motor analyzers made by @zapta on loan to see if it can catch something?

[Argo]

@droftarts

When @carcamerarig was visiting you he told me that you two could not reproduce the layer shift issue when printing cold in the air without filament.
Now the issue is suddenly back when printing under normal conditions with all heaters on.

Can a overheating stepper or MCU be the cause of those layer shifts??

I know that normally an overheating message should appear before the driver actually overheats but is it somehow possible that maybe the MCU or stepper chips are not perfectly in contact with the PCB for heat transfer?
I know from graphics card that old / bad heat transfer compound can cause a high junction GPU temperature though the overall chip temperature readings are ok the junction temperature was not. Just recently I had that issue and had to reapply the compound to the GPU.

For further testing I already told him to to do a cold air print like you did when he was visiting you.
When there is no issue he should then activate the heaters. When the shifts/bangs are then happening again we might know the cause.

[droftarts]

@alankilian both @T3P3Tony and I have one, but don’t have all the parts yet. Waiting for screens to come from China.

The other difficulty is reproducing it. In 6 hours of testing with @carcamerarig’s machine (admittedly not printing, mostly just movement) it didn’t happen once. I’ll be setting up my printer as close as possible to his, and running his Gcode, hopefully on Tuesday, if @dc42 doesn’t fix it first!

Ian

[droftarts]

@argo it’s possible. A driver shutdown due to heat could cause a bang like that. But id be surprised if it did it without reporting it.

If it’s the X axis on his machine, which I think is on driver 0, this is closest to the Mosfets for bed and hotend, which may be getting hot. His board is also in an enclosure, can’t remember if there was a fan. Worth trying with the cover off and a fan pointing at it, perhaps.

Ian

[carcamerarig]

@droftarts
The 1st bang was within 2 minutes on the 2nd layer, is it even possible to heat up that fast? I have had bangs on the travel move immediately after the purge line.

[carcamerarig]

@droftarts said in Missing Steps - Cant Print SpreadCycle StealthChop tuning help:

@carcamerarig hmm, yes, very disappointing, sorry this still isn’t resolved. As you seem to be able to reproduce the problem very reliably, can you update to the firmware from this post https://forum.duet3d.com/post/226010 and report using the commands @dc42 says? The only way we’re going to be able to fix it is to catch the fault in reporting.

Just the .uf2 file Ian?

[droftarts]

@carcamerarig yes, ignore the .map file. I also don’t think it’s to do with heat, but it came up earlier in the thread.

Ian

[Argo]

@droftarts

I'm running out of plausible explanations tbh.
With the CoreXY setup it might be an issue with the Mini 2 stepper expansion board using all channels but @carcamerarig and I almost have the same printer and you could personally check mechanical issues. I guess you checked that first before storming into a day of air-printing.

Those parts are the same for our printers:
24v PSU
1.8 LDO motors X/Y/Z
Bondtech extruder
same dimensions of the print bed
same bed heater

only difference: his frame uses other extrusions and he has 10mm rods and not 8mm rods for X/Y/Z.

I gave him my config.g which you also saw and checked when he was visiting you.
Unfortunately the MCU temperature is not readable via software but depending on the load the MCU should already reach it's working temperature after a short period of time under heavy load. But I do not know how much load a typical print generates.

Yes it's just a wild guess but what else can it be when the same board is working in a almost identical printer? Also the stepper motors worked perfectly in his previous setup with an EINSY 8 bit board.

I think he tried the last 3-4 weeks (nights) to solve the issues. To rule out any hardware issue, couldn't you from Duet send him a 100% verified working Mini5+ board and he sends in his board to verify? With a typical hardware store infrared sensor you can't really measure possible hot spots on a chip.
We have at least still two people with skipping layer problems regardless of the used mode (Stealth/Spread). The Mini5+ is still a young product and I guess the sale figures are still low because of the global situation but I've seen "many" with failed SD card slot in the forum (even the replacement board isn't sure to have no issues) so I wouldn't rule out a hardware problem. You've verified and seen the printer so why not.

He's gone so far and ordered a SKR 1.4 board because he just wants to print something. =(
Me at the other hand just ordered another Mini5+ (+ 2 stepper expansion) because I still trust in the quality Duet usually delivers in terms of hardware and software.

When the replacement board is also having issues at his place we might have to get a ghost detector to check whether or not his place is cursed for 3D printing.

[droftarts]

@argo I understand the frustration. I do feel a bit dumb for not trying a proper print when we were testing, but we were time-constrained. I would have gladly given him my board, but because we couldn’t reproduce it, I couldn’t prove my board would be any better than his.

We very much appreciate the community support trying to fix the issue. As @carcamerarig knows, I don’t have a stock of boards to send out; replacement in this instance is a decision for @dc42 or @T3P3Tony . But equally, I wouldn’t want @carcamerarig to go through the hassle of changing his board, only for the same thing to happen, because we haven’t been able reproduce the issue in testing. So there is currently no ‘known-good’ boards.

My feeling is that it’s a similar issue to the 0V issue; that there is an issue with SPI and/or DMA that the firmware can work around, once we know what that issue is. The only way to find it is to test firmware with sufficient reporting to find the issue on a machine that exhibits the fault.

Ian

[carcamerarig]

Appreciate the thoughts and assistance on this issue guys, Chris, Steve from the USA and Ray from NZ, Ben from Germany have all put in a solid 3 weeks on this with me and 2 of which have been til 4am because of the time zones, Ian has the best part of a day plus David’s late involvement. It’s a lot of effort from guys I never even met before and I’m humbled with everyone’s tenacity with it, I did order an SKR but it now feels like I’d be letting the side down if I quit and fit it. I’ll start doing some reporting on the latest fw when I get out of bed (being lazy today)
I know Chris is going to get his new mini board fired up soon so that will be another instance in the loop also, what I don’t get is why some other units aren’t showing the same issues?