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    • tecnoundefined
      tecno @dc42
      last edited by

      @dc42

      R1 or R2 Still same problem

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      • tecnoundefined
        tecno @tecno
        last edited by

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        No problems with fan shroud taken off.

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        • Phaedruxundefined
          Phaedrux Moderator
          last edited by

          What does the fan shroud look like when on?

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          • tecnoundefined
            tecno @Phaedrux
            last edited by

            @phaedrux
            https://youtu.be/6YHxmoWgLI8

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            • Phaedruxundefined
              Phaedrux Moderator
              last edited by

              Ah, so quite large then.

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              • tecnoundefined
                tecno @Phaedrux
                last edited by

                @phaedrux

                Jay has been using this model without problems, so go figure.

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                • Phaedruxundefined
                  Phaedrux Moderator
                  last edited by

                  Interesting. I wonder if it's a sensitivity problem then.

                  I assume it's been disassembled and reassembled already?

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                  • tecnoundefined
                    tecno @Phaedrux
                    last edited by

                    @phaedrux

                    Still as in latest picture = no duct.
                    Total weight is 84grams with 3 fans, printed in PETG.

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                    • jay_s_ukundefined
                      jay_s_uk @Phaedrux
                      last edited by

                      @phaedrux that duct design (which is mine) works fine for me on my smart effector v3 so i doubt thats the issue. I still think its a mechanical issue with effector tilt

                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                      • tecnoundefined
                        tecno @jay_s_uk
                        last edited by tecno

                        Have found my main issue = the printed effector adapter is way too small = too short rods.

                        Back to the drawing board!

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                        • tecnoundefined
                          tecno @tecno
                          last edited by

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                          A bit larger adapter 😉

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                            tecno @tecno
                            last edited by

                            One violent move and this is the result.
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                            • tecnoundefined
                              tecno @tecno
                              last edited by

                              So some days has gone and I am now trying to get the Smart Effector to work = no go!

                              New non 3D printed effector adapter (original in alu with slight modifications)

                              Area of bed 9 to 3 down to 6 can be probed G30 and 0,0 towards back about 50mm works
                              Out of that area the smart effector is not sensitive enough as the effector needs to tilt a lot before it triggers.
                              I find this a bit odd as the trigger LED on head moves. All set to default values.

                              bed.g

                              config.g

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                              • Phaedruxundefined
                                Phaedrux Moderator
                                last edited by Phaedrux

                                Your dive speed seems to be half the recommended value. M558 F600 vs M558 F1200

                                https://docs.duet3d.com/en/Duet3D_hardware/Accessories/Smart_Effector#configuring-firmware

                                M558 P8 R0.8 C"probe+servo0" H10 F600 T2000

                                M558 P8 R0.4 F1200

                                So perhaps it's not striking with enough force to reliably trigger.

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                                • tecnoundefined
                                  tecno @Phaedrux
                                  last edited by

                                  @phaedrux

                                  And looks like that, had to go all way up to 2500 to get reliable trig.

                                  Where do I set hotend offset and where to set effector offset?
                                  Looking from front X0/Y0 effector is to left and the hotend is a bit left too.

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                                  • Phaedruxundefined
                                    Phaedrux Moderator @tecno
                                    last edited by

                                    @tecno said in Smart Effector issue:

                                    Where do I set hotend offset and where to set effector offset?
                                    Looking from front X0/Y0 effector is to left and the hotend is a bit left too.

                                    I'm not sure what you mean.

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                                    • dc42undefined
                                      dc42 administrators @Phaedrux
                                      last edited by

                                      FWIW we've identified a modification to the Smart Effector version 3 that improves the signal-to-noise ratio, which in turn allows you to use a higher sensitivity unless fan noise etc. prevents that. The modification is to remove capacitor C8. This can be done using a soldering iron with a bit large enough to cover both pads. Alternatively, you could use a small twist drill bit to remove a thin sliver of copper around the adjacent via that connects one end of the capacitor to the ground plane.

                                      182b0bde-15dd-4dac-a4d3-573ecf3c3973-image.png

                                      This image is as viewed from the top of the PCB, so you need to invert it when looking at the bottom.

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                                        tecno @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by

                                        @phaedrux said in Smart Effector issue:

                                        @tecno said in Smart Effector issue:

                                        Where do I set hotend offset and where to set effector offset?
                                        Looking from front X0/Y0 effector is to left and the hotend is a bit left too.

                                        I'm not sure what you mean.

                                        ; Tools
                                        M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
                                        G10 P0 X-4 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                                        G10 P0 R0 S0

                                        Fixed offset issue

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                                        • tecnoundefined
                                          tecno @dc42
                                          last edited by

                                          @dc42 said in Smart Effector issue:

                                          FWIW we've identified a modification to the Smart Effector version 3 that improves the signal-to-noise ratio, which in turn allows you to use a higher sensitivity unless fan noise etc. prevents that. The modification is to remove capacitor C8. This can be done using a soldering iron with a bit large enough to cover both pads. Alternatively, you could use a small twist drill bit to remove a thin sliver of copper around the adjacent via that connects one end of the capacitor to the ground plane.

                                          182b0bde-15dd-4dac-a4d3-573ecf3c3973-image.png

                                          This image is as viewed from the top of the PCB, so you need to invert it when looking at the bottom.

                                          So far during my tests no fans are used, good to know when adding fans.

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                                          • tecnoundefined
                                            tecno @tecno
                                            last edited by

                                            Still some issues with false trig = does not go down but LED lights up = trig.

                                            How to solve this?

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