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    JoergS5 @tecno
    last edited by JoergS5 6 May 2022, 12:16 5 Jun 2022, 08:37

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      droftarts administrators @tecno
      last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 08:42

      @tecno if it’s a delta, probably X and Y motors are flipped in M584. Don’t forget to swap the endstop assignments too!

      Ian

      Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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        tecno @droftarts
        last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 08:55

        @droftarts

        Yes it is a Delta.

        G0 X-5 X should go down not up. It is X moving not Y so I dont see flipping X/Y in M584 do anything good.

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          droftarts administrators @tecno
          last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 09:05

          @tecno check the individual motor moves for delta here: https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Motors_testing#checking-movement-direction

          Ian

          Bed-slinger - Mini5+ WiFi/1LC | RRP Fisher v1 - D2 WiFi | Polargraph - D2 WiFi | TronXY X5S - 6HC/Roto | CNC router - 6HC | Tractus3D T1250 - D2 Eth

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            tecno @droftarts
            last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 09:25

            @droftarts said in Motors move wrong way:

            @tecno check the individual motor moves for delta here: https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Motors_testing#checking-movement-direction

            Ian

            Guess what, all axis move as commanded in the test BUT in DWC it is the opposite.

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              Dougal1957
              last edited by Dougal1957 6 May 2022, 09:38 5 Jun 2022, 09:37

              @tecno with a simple diagram can you show us the motor positions when looking down on the delta from above similar to

              Z
              

              X Y.

              Also post your full Config.g

              Doug

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                tecno @Dougal1957
                last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 09:44

                @dougal1957

                ; Configuration file for Duet 3 Mini 5+ (firmware version 3.3)
                ; executed by the firmware on start-up
                ;
                ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.10 on Tue May 31 2022 17:03:35 GMT+0200 (centraleuropeisk sommartid)
                ; General preferences
                M575 P1 S0 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
                G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                M550 P"BigDelta" ; set printer name
                M665 R300 L615 B275 H570 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
                M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them
                M669 S1 T1 ; kinematics linear delta
                M564 H0 S0 ; allow axis movement not homed
                ; Wait a moment for the CAN expansion boards to start
                G4 S2
                ; Network
                M551 P"bengt" ; set password
                M552 P192.168.1.124 S1 ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
                M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                M586 P1 S1 ; enable FTP
                M586 P2 S1 ; enable Telnet
                ; Drives
                ;M569 P40.0 S0 R1 T10:10:10:10 ; physical drive 121.0 goes forwards
                ;M569 P41.0 S0 R1 T10:10:10:10 ; physical drive 122.0 goes forwards
                ;M569 P42.0 S0 R1 T10:10:10:10 ; physical drive 123.0 goes forwards
                ;M584 X40.0 Y41.0 Z42.0 E0.0 ; set drive mapping
                M569 P0 S0
                M569 P1 S1
                M569 P2 S1
                M569 P3 S1
                M584 X3 Y2 Z1 E0
                M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation X16 Y16 Z16
                M92 X40.00 Y40.00 Z40.00 E663.00 ; set steps per mm
                M566 X120.00 Y120.00 Z120.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                M203 X800.00 Y800.00 Z800.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E1000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                M906 X1500 Y1500 Z1500 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
                ; Axis Limits
                M208 Z0 S1 ; set minimum Z
                ; Endstops
                M574 X2 S1 P"40.io1.in" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on X via pin io0.in
                M574 Y2 S1 P"41.io1.in" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Y via pin io1.in
                M574 Z2 S1 P"42.io1.in" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Z via pin io2.in
                ; Z-Probe
                M558 P5 R0.4 C"io3.in+io4.out" H5 F1200 T6000 ; set Z probe type to effector and the dive height + speeds
                G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z2.5 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                M557 R85 S20 ; define mesh grid
                ; Heaters
                M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
                M950 H0 C"out0" T0 ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
                M307 H0 B1 S1.00 ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
                M308 S1 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin temp1
                M950 H1 C"out1" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1
                M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                ; Fans
                M950 F0 C"out5" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin out3 and set its frequency
                M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                M950 F1 C"out4" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin out4 and set its frequency
                M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                ; Tools
                M563 P1 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 1
                G10 P1 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 1 axis offsets
                G10 P1 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 1 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                ; Custom settings are not defined
                ; Miscellaneous
                ;M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
                T1

                Z back
                X left front
                Y right front

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                  Dougal1957 @tecno
                  last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 09:50

                  @tecno In that case I think your M584 is in the wrong sequence as George said above try

                  M584 X1 Y2 Z3 E0 assuming that the motors are connected to X Y and Z ports in that order.

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                    tecno @Dougal1957
                    last edited by tecno 6 May 2022, 10:09 5 Jun 2022, 10:01

                    @dougal1957

                    Sorry but there is no reason to have X on port 1 !

                    Anyhow I did that and edit config and switched motor wires = Still same problem

                    Will try to switch motor wires on one winding to see if it helps.

                    //edit No it did not

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                      Dougal1957 @tecno
                      last edited by Dougal1957 6 May 2022, 10:19 5 Jun 2022, 10:12

                      @tecno said in Motors move wrong way:

                      @dougal1957

                      Sorry but there is no reason to have X on port 1 !

                      Anyhow I did that and edit config and switched motor wires = Still same problem

                      Will try to switch motor wires on one winding to see if it helps.

                      //edit No it did not

                      Your config order of the M569 P1 to P3 suggests that the motors are connected to ports 1 2 and 3 in XYZ order tho
                      Maybe reverse the order of them may solve your issue because your motors all move in the correct way when individually commanded it has to be a config issue!

                      Argh sorry that order I don't think matters but I think it is still worth trying.

                      Just looked up M584 and wonder if this maybe your issue.```
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                        oliof @tecno
                        last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 10:20

                        @tecno said in Motors move wrong way:

                        Anyhow I did that and edit config and switched motor wires = Still same problem

                        if you switch the configuration and the wiring at the same time, the problem will persist. Do one or the other.

                        <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                          Dougal1957
                          last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 10:24

                          Also remember that in Delta kinematics all 3 axis have to move for any movement in the cartesian plane.

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                            tecno @Dougal1957
                            last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 10:29

                            @dougal1957

                            I have tried all possibly settings

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                              tecno @Dougal1957
                              last edited by tecno 6 May 2022, 10:36 5 Jun 2022, 10:34

                              @dougal1957

                              So M584 line has to be X0 Y1 Z2 and E4 or E5 or just E4 no x/y/z?

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                                tecno @tecno
                                last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 10:45

                                I feel like fool now 😞

                                Been looking at the carriage motion not head motion = NOOB with Delta πŸ˜‰

                                All appears to move as it should.

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                                  Dougal1957 @tecno
                                  last edited by 5 Jun 2022, 10:46

                                  @tecno said in Motors move wrong way:

                                  @dougal1957

                                  So M584 line has to be X0 Y1 Z2 and E4 or E5 or just E4 no x/y/z?

                                  I am just about to go out but I will get you a copy of my Config.g

                                  ; General preferences
                                  M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
                                  G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
                                  M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
                                  M550 P"Delta" ; set printer name
                                  M665 R239.403 L450.7 B175 H401 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
                                  M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them
                                  ; Network
                                  M552 S1 ; enable network
                                  M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
                                  M586 P1 S1 ; enable FTP
                                  M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet
                                  ; Drives
                                  M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
                                  M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
                                  M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
                                  M569 P3 S1 ; physical drive 3 goes forwards
                                  M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
                                  M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
                                  M92 X200.00 Y200.00 Z200.00 E2500.00 ; set steps per mm
                                  M566 X54000.00 Y54000.00 Z54000.00 E2400.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
                                  M203 X1080000.00 Y1080000.00 Z1080000.00 E144000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
                                  M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E120.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
                                  M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E500 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
                                  M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
                                  ; Axis Limits
                                  M208 Z0 S1 ; set minimum Z
                                  ; Endstops
                                  M574 X2 S1 P"xstop" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on X via pin xstop
                                  M574 Y2 S1 P"ystop" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Y via pin ystop
                                  M574 Z2 S1 P"zstop" ; configure switch-type (e.g. microswitch) endstop for high end on Z via pin zstop
                                  ; Z-Probe
                                  M558 P5 R0.4 C"zprobe.in+zprobe.mod" H5 F1200 T6000 ; set Z probe type to effector and the dive height + speeds
                                  G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z0.1 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
                                  M557 R85 S20 ; define mesh grid
                                  ; Heaters
                                  M308 S0 P"spi.cs2" Y"rtd-max31865" F50
                                  ;M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
                                  M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
                                  M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
                                  M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
                                  M143 H0 S75 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 75C
                                  M308 S1 P"spi.cs1" Y"rtd-max31865" F50
                                  ;M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
                                  M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
                                  M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
                                  M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C
                                  ; Fans
                                  M950 F0 C"fan2" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
                                  M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
                                  M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
                                  M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
                                  ; Tools
                                  M563 P0 D0 H1 F2 ; define tool 0
                                  G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                                  G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
                                  ; Custom settings are not defined
                                  ; Miscellaneous
                                  M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
                                  T0 ; select first tool
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