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    Proschi3D
    last edited by Proschi3D 14 Dec 2022, 22:10

    Hard to believe that the V5 is still coming 😉

    https://www.simplify3d.com/

    Love my Duet 3 Mini.
    https://www.instagram.com/proschi3d
    https://youtube.com/@proschi3d
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      chrishamm administrators @Proschi3D
      last edited by 14 Dec 2022, 23:30

      @Proschi78 I thought it was dead TBH. At first glance it's a shame they've removed the Tools -> Firmware Configuration option (or I'm just blind) and they still don't support firmware retraction.

      Duet software engineer

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        alankilian @chrishamm
        last edited by 15 Dec 2022, 01:02

        @chrishamm Yeah, I bought it a few years ago and now they want another US$59 to upgrade?

        Hard-pass.

        SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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          Alex.cr
          last edited by 15 Dec 2022, 01:11

          It was worth the cost a few years back. I will have to wait and see a few reviews before considering upgrading. I have a hard time putting my money towards a company that has had almost no interaction with the community for years (that's at least my perception).

          Maybe it will be really good and worth it, but PrusaSlicer/SuperSlicer and Cura are so good right now, its going to be an uphill battle for Simplify3D.

          Voron2.4/Duet3 SBC+6HC+3HC+1LC+1HCL(x2) - Delta/Duet2 Wifi - CubePro/Duet2 Wifi+Duex5 - Laser/Duet3 Mini5+ - Cel Robox - U̶p̶3̶0̶0̶+/D̶u̶e̶t̶3̶ ̶6̶H̶C̶+̶LC1̶ - F̶T̶-̶5̶/̶D̶u̶e̶t̶2̶ ̶W̶i̶f̶i̶ - S̶o̶l̶i̶d̶o̶o̶d̶l̶e̶

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            R4ffers @alankilian
            last edited by 15 Dec 2022, 01:15

            @alankilian it almost seems like a calculated move to wait until all new licenses purchased were over 12 months old. Nobody then gets a free upgrade.

            Mb6hc + 3hc + 1lc on Voron V2.4, Mini 5+ exp 2+ on Vzbot 235 AWD, Duet 2 wifi on Ox CNC and Mini 5+ on Millennium Milo v1.5 mini mill.

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              tecno @R4ffers
              last edited by 16 Dec 2022, 16:01

              Got my refund

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                alankilian @tecno
                last edited by 16 Dec 2022, 16:56

                It's really too bad, my machine came with mattercontrol (or something like that) which I couldn't get good prints with so I bought Simplify3D and it's been an excellent slicer even without any updates.

                I do like the way I can very easily switch settings at a particular layer so if my model needs some settings on the lower half and different settings on the upper half I can do that without difficulty.

                It's also the only slicer I got to do dual-extrusion through a single extruder although honestly I didn't try very hard with others.

                I don't know which slicer to start experimenting with. I'll probably just keep using Simplify until it can't do something I need and then start the learning curve on something else.

                SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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                  Phaedrux Moderator @alankilian
                  last edited by Phaedrux 16 Dec 2022, 17:11

                  @alankilian said in SIMPLIFY 3D V 5 IS NOW OUT:

                  I do like the way I can very easily switch settings at a particular layer so if my model needs some settings on the lower half and different settings on the upper half I can do that without difficulty.

                  Cura has pretty good options for this. There's a post processing menu item that you can change certain things at a layer/height. And then there are modifier meshes which are far far more powerful and aren't limited to layer heights. Load another model shape and wherever it superimposes over the main model you can define custom settings.

                  Prusa slicer can do similar with meshes as well.

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                    R4ffers
                    last edited by 16 Dec 2022, 19:32

                    Prusa slicer and super slicer are my main go to slicer

                    Mb6hc + 3hc + 1lc on Voron V2.4, Mini 5+ exp 2+ on Vzbot 235 AWD, Duet 2 wifi on Ox CNC and Mini 5+ on Millennium Milo v1.5 mini mill.

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                      GeneRisi
                      last edited by GeneRisi 16 Dec 2022, 20:10

                      Does anyone have a good reason to upgrade to v5?

                      I've been using Simplify3d for years and have been hoping that development was ongoing so I could upgrade. Having looked briefly at both Cura and PrussiaSlicer I can't see any advantage to what Simplify3d v5 is offering. Getting good results from a slicer takes experience gained over time so I haven't switched/upgraded yet.

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                        Proschi3D @GeneRisi
                        last edited by Proschi3D 16 Dec 2022, 20:27

                        I'm not a fan of paying double and triple, but the quality of my printed parts with Simplify V 5 convinces me.
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                        0,6 mm nozzle
                        The quality is awesome

                        Love my Duet 3 Mini.
                        https://www.instagram.com/proschi3d
                        https://youtube.com/@proschi3d
                        https://www.proschi3d.de

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                          sebkritikel @Proschi3D
                          last edited by 16 Dec 2022, 20:46

                          @Proschi78 Can you upload the GCODE file for the vase print? Certainly looks great, but I can't imaging they're doing anything special in that print file.

                          Better yet, upload a comparison GCODE file from another slicer (where you attempt to match the settings as closely as possible).

                          Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                          Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                            Proschi3D @sebkritikel
                            last edited by Proschi3D 16 Dec 2022, 21:50

                            once simplify v5 and prusa slicer

                            Nerys_Vase_2 prusa.gcode
                            Nerys_Vase_2 (1).gcode

                            Love my Duet 3 Mini.
                            https://www.instagram.com/proschi3d
                            https://youtube.com/@proschi3d
                            https://www.proschi3d.de

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                              sebkritikel @Proschi3D
                              last edited by 17 Dec 2022, 18:17

                              @Proschi78 Thank you! To be clear, I'm not digging on S3D, I just nerd out and dig into whats going on 'behind the scenes'.

                              A couple of interesting things stick out - S3D is varying both the print speed/feedrate and extrusion amount along the model's height.

                              From bottom to top, the S3D print speed varies from 6.0mm/s -> 9.1mm/s -> 2.8mm/s -> 4.4mm/s - this is likely to achieve a minimum layer time. In contrast, PrusaSlicer prints at a consistent 15mm/s (difference in speed is also evident from print duration).
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                              Whats more interesting is the variation in extrusion amount occurring in S3D. PrusaSlicer is again consistent, but S3D increases the extrusion amount during the more vertical sections of the vase. There doesn't seem to be varying layer heights during this vase-mode print?
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                              Thanks for sharing!

                              Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                              Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                Proschi3D @sebkritikel
                                last edited by 17 Dec 2022, 18:26

                                @sebkritikel The constant speed of the Prusa slicer Fürth means that the layers melt at small diameters. You can also see a seam with the Prusa slicer, which does not exist with simplify, since the print does not pause when infeed in z

                                Love my Duet 3 Mini.
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                                https://youtube.com/@proschi3d
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                                  sebkritikel @Proschi3D
                                  last edited by sebkritikel 17 Dec 2022, 18:31

                                  @Proschi78 Oh wow, I see what you mean in PS. Weird!
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                                  Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                                  Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                    Proschi3D @sebkritikel
                                    last edited by 17 Dec 2022, 18:34

                                    @sebkritikel It also seems to me that the outer contour of PS is somewhat distorted. With s3d, each layer lies perfectly on top of the other

                                    Love my Duet 3 Mini.
                                    https://www.instagram.com/proschi3d
                                    https://youtube.com/@proschi3d
                                    https://www.proschi3d.de

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                                      Proschi3D @sebkritikel
                                      last edited by 17 Dec 2022, 18:37

                                      @sebkritikel What software are you using to display the gcode?

                                      Love my Duet 3 Mini.
                                      https://www.instagram.com/proschi3d
                                      https://youtube.com/@proschi3d
                                      https://www.proschi3d.de

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                                        sebkritikel @Proschi3D
                                        last edited by 17 Dec 2022, 18:53

                                        @Proschi78 said in SIMPLIFY 3D V 5 IS NOW OUT:

                                        @sebkritikel What software are you using to display the gcode?

                                        I'm using Craftware
                                        https://craftbot.com/craftware

                                        Can open GCODE files. I'm using an older version, but the newer one is still quite similar.

                                        Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                                        Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                          rainy
                                          last edited by rainy 17 Dec 2022, 19:15

                                          Going through the s3d v5 feature list (https://www.simplify3d.com/products/simplify3d-software/whats-new/version-5-0/)
                                          prusaslicer already has:

                                          • adaptive layer height
                                          • 3d infill patterns
                                          • z seam hiding (it's not as automatic as s3d but gives you more control)
                                          • support painting; it seems like s3d's new supports are trying to catch up to this; PS does it really well imo
                                          • short perimeter speed reduction
                                          • small feature reinforcement
                                          • XY size compensation, though s3d has a special setting for interior holes (not sure why you'd want this though)
                                          • flow rate control (it took me a minute to figure out what they're saying, but it's limiting speed by the max extruder flow rate)
                                          • live updating of model geometry after file update
                                          • 3dconnexion mouse
                                          • automatic mesh repair

                                          unique things from the s3d update:

                                          • the "automate common changes" feature looks really useful
                                          • dynamic infill might be nice in some scenarios
                                          • new gui looks nice?

                                          Maybe there are more features they haven't mentioned in that page, but the main list doesn't promote confidence. S3D used to be way ahead of the competition; now it feels like it's trying to catch up.

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