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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators
      last edited by dc42

      I think you managed to short the 5V rail to ground. OTOH the Duet ought to be able to handle that without damage. So I will approve a warranty replacement. Please contact your supplier and point them towards this thread. If you bought it direct from Duet3D, see https://www.duet3d.com/warranty.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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      • Brian_Kundefined
        Brian_K
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        OK, thanks, I purchased both items from E3D, I'll contact them a little later.

        Should I include the Paneldue as well, is there a problem there seperate from the above?

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        • dc42undefined
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          last edited by

          The problem with the PanelDue is almost certainly a bad crimp at one end of the cable. So you could ask them to replace the cable - although they may prefer to replace the whole package.

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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          • Brian_Kundefined
            Brian_K
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            Hi David,

            I have spoken to Daniel at E3D with regards the WiFi board, I understand I have to return it to him along with a reseller warranty form, if this is correct I can arrange that.

            Regarding the Paneldue 5i, I would like to have that fully checked over, although I said it worked with the short ribbon cable, which it did, now I think about it a fault was reported in a small red box in the top right of the screen prior to me disconnecting it.

            Do I need to fill out another warranty form or just return both items under the one claim?

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            • dc42undefined
              dc42 administrators @Brian_K
              last edited by

              @brian_k said in BLTouch/Fried board:

              Do I need to fill out another warranty form or just return both items under the one claim?

              Please fill out 2 warranty forms, so that we can feed them into our failure analysis system.

              Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
              Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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              • Brian_Kundefined
                Brian_K
                last edited by

                Will do, thanks.

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                • StevenHerbsundefined
                  StevenHerbs
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                  I realize that this is an old post, but I just had this exact same thing happen to me. I'd like to understand why it happened to avoid it again.

                  I have a Duet 2 Wifi 1.04b which I've been using on my TronXY X5S 500 and I've just purchased a genuine Antclabs BL Touch Smart V3.1.

                  I followed the installation instructions here: https://docs.duet3d.com/User_manual/Connecting_hardware/Z_probe_connecting
                  and triple checked my wiring, but when I powered on the board, I got flames coming from the corner of the U3 chip. This is outside the warranty period for the Duet board, but if I'm going to replace the board, I don't want a repeat experience. They're too expensive to ruin.

                  Thanks for any thoughts.

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                  • jay_s_ukundefined
                    jay_s_uk @StevenHerbs
                    last edited by

                    @StevenHerbs please start your own thread

                    Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                    • StevenHerbsundefined
                      StevenHerbs @jay_s_uk
                      last edited by

                      @jay_s_uk

                      I intentionally replied to this thread instead of starting my own because of the similarities.

                      I'd been hoping @dc42 would be able to weigh in on this.

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                      • A Former User?
                        A Former User @StevenHerbs
                        last edited by

                        @StevenHerbs By any chance does your BLtouch have the word creality anywhere ? If so the wiring is different. That has caused many a board to release the magic smoke.

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                        • droftartsundefined
                          droftarts administrators @StevenHerbs
                          last edited by

                          @StevenHerbs please post a picture of your wiring, at the Duet and at the BLTouch.

                          U3 is the 5V regulator, and while a short to ground can make it fail, feeding it 24V is the only way to make it go up in flames. Did it go up straight away after turning on? I’d check proximity to hot end heater wires in cable runs, look for a short between that and the 5V or servo wire.

                          It may be repairable. You can replace U3, see https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Troubleshooting/Parts#voltage-regulators-1

                          Ian

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                          • StevenHerbsundefined
                            StevenHerbs @A Former User
                            last edited by StevenHerbs

                            @KenW said in BLTouch/Fried board:

                            @StevenHerbs By any chance does your BLtouch have the word creality anywhere ? If so the wiring is different. That has caused many a board to release the magic smoke.

                            No, zero chance. I have both and it's impossible to confuse the two. This is 100% genuine BLTouch V3.1 from Antclabs.

                            @droftarts said in BLTouch/Fried board:

                            @StevenHerbs please post a picture of your wiring, at the Duet and at the BLTouch.

                            U3 is the 5V regulator, and while a short to ground can make it fail, feeding it 24V is the only way to make it go up in flames. Did it go up straight away after turning on? I’d check proximity to hot end heater wires in cable runs, look for a short between that and the 5V or servo wire.

                            It may be repairable. You can replace U3, see https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/Troubleshooting/Parts#voltage-regulators-1

                            Ian

                            Thanks for the info. No, it took part of a minute before it started shooting open flame. I didn't install the BLTouch on the carriage yet - I had it loose by the board, so the cabling wasn't anywhere close other wires to short.
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                            • StevenHerbsundefined
                              StevenHerbs @droftarts
                              last edited by

                              Apologies - originally missed the request for the BLTouch end of the wiring.

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                              • sebkritikelundefined
                                sebkritikel @StevenHerbs
                                last edited by sebkritikel

                                @StevenHerbs Looks to me as if your 5-pin plugged into the BLTouch is backward. From left to right it should be:
                                9b985f1e-1885-479b-b864-524dd5386515-image.png

                                Are you using the geniune cable? Perhaps you used the Creality one on accident?
                                4d9ac1e1-0991-4721-b72f-99bae9eacfe2-image.png

                                Above info taken from the Zprobe docs, image below for reference.

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                                Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                                Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                • StevenHerbsundefined
                                  StevenHerbs @sebkritikel
                                  last edited by StevenHerbs

                                  @sebkritikel

                                  You've got to be kidding me......that's such a simple explanation. It hadn't occurred to me that the wiring order at the BLTouch might have different standards. I hadn't found those charts you shared before, but that explains everything. While the BLTouch IS authentic from Antclabs, it is boxed in a Creality box and wired for Creality applications.

                                  At least I understand the reason and how to avoid a repeat. Thank you!

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                                    A Former User @StevenHerbs
                                    last edited by

                                    @StevenHerbs That was why I ask if it was associated with Creality in any way. That little change by Creality has caused many cases of magic smoke release. Both by Creality board owners who bought a non Creality BLtouch and vice versa.

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                                    • sebkritikelundefined
                                      sebkritikel @StevenHerbs
                                      last edited by

                                      @StevenHerbs Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! Hopefully you try that U3 replacement, as that might work out for you!

                                      Agree with @KenW, for reasons unknown Creality and Co have screwed with plenty of DIYers with their change.

                                      Large(ish?) IDEX - 6HC, 1HCL
                                      Stratasys Dimension 1200es to 6HC Conversion

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                                      • oliofundefined
                                        oliof @sebkritikel
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                                        @sebkritikel and to add insult to injury, wire order and colors are depending on the lot you get.

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