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Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults

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    dc42 administrators @KevinMar
    last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:23

    @kevinmar did you see my comment about retuning with a silicone sock in place, and my suggestion to reduce the M307 R parameter?

    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
    http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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      KevinMar @dc42
      last edited by KevinMar 20 Aug 2021, 18:23

      @dc42 said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

      If after re-tuning with the silicone sock on (if necessary) the heaters still fault, you can try reducing the M307 R parameter. Try a 30% reduction.

      I added the sock, retuned, and it still faulted.

      I reduced R from 2 to 1.5 and even to 1.0 and it didn't help

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        KevinMar @DIY-O-Sphere
        last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:24

        @diy-o-sphere lol yeah, boards working fine otherwise

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          dc42 administrators @KevinMar
          last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:25

          @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

          @dc42 said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

          If after re-tuning with the silicone sock on (if necessary) the heaters still fault, you can try reducing the M307 R parameter. Try a 30% reduction.

          I added the sock, retuned, and it still faulted.

          I reduced R from 2 to 1.5 and it didn't help

          Did the R value change much when you added the sock, or was it just the C values that changed?

          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
          Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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            fcwilt @KevinMar
            last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:25

            @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

            @fcwilt Yes, all 3 faulted (nearly) simultaneously, when heating is initiated simultaneously

            If you execute a M570 command from the DWC Console what value does it report?

            Frederick

            Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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              KevinMar @dc42
              last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:26

              @dc42 C values changed when tuning with the sock.

              R values were a manual change

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                KevinMar @fcwilt
                last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:27

                @fcwilt "Print will be terminated if a heater fault is not reset within 10 minutes"

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                  dc42 administrators @KevinMar
                  last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:27

                  @kevinmar confirm you are running firmware 3.3 on both main board and tool board?

                  Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                  Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                    KevinMar @dc42
                    last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:28

                    @dc42 yes, 100%. All running 3.3 non beta or anything

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                      fcwilt @KevinMar
                      last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:30

                      @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                      @fcwilt "Print will be terminated if a heater fault is not reset within 10 minutes"

                      As a test have you commented out the settings for all but one tool heater to see if that makes a difference?

                      Frederick

                      Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                        KevinMar @fcwilt
                        last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:31

                        @fcwilt huh? Just comment out all of the heaters? I have not tried that.

                        Should I add "M570 H1 P10 T15 S0" to my config?

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                          KevinMar
                          last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:36

                          The thing that keeps confusing me is that this is a very standard-issue setup. Running all standard E3D + Duet hardware, and running a stable release of the firmware.

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                            fcwilt @KevinMar
                            last edited by fcwilt 20 Aug 2021, 18:37

                            @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                            @fcwilt huh? Just comment out all of the heaters? I have not tried that.

                            Should I add "M570 H1 P10 T15 S0" to my config?

                            I was wondering if the same problem would occur you if you only had one extruder heater configured.

                            As to the M570 I was working with out of date documentation.

                            It turns out with current firmware it appears you have to have a H parameter to set/report on a given heater.

                            Frederick

                            Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                              fcwilt @KevinMar
                              last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:37

                              @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                              The thing that keeps confusing me is that this is a very standard-issue setup. Running all standard E3D + Duet hardware, and running a stable release of the firmware.

                              It most certainly is confusing but I would not be surprised if we are overlooking something that should be obvious.

                              Frederick

                              Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                KevinMar @fcwilt
                                last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:38

                                @fcwilt Me too, but I've been digging

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                                  KevinMar @KevinMar
                                  last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:39

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                                    fcwilt @KevinMar
                                    last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:40

                                    @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                    @fcwilt Me too, but I've been digging

                                    When I'm faced with something like this I resort to a process of elimination, thus my suggestion to configure just one heater to see if it changes anything.

                                    Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                      KevinMar @fcwilt
                                      last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:44

                                      @fcwilt I've commented out all heaters except H2, autotuning now.
                                      "M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" A"Ex1"
                                      M950 H2 C"21.out0" T2 ; Heater for extruder out tool 1
                                      M307 H2 R2.050 C309.100:130.600 D6.20 S1.00 V24.3 B0
                                      M570 H2 P10 T25 S0.1"

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                                        fcwilt @KevinMar
                                        last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:49

                                        @kevinmar said in Tool Board Heater Tuning Leading To Faults:

                                        @fcwilt I've commented out all heaters except H2, autotuning now.
                                        "M308 S2 P"21.temp0" Y"pt1000" A"Ex1"
                                        M950 H2 C"21.out0" T2 ; Heater for extruder out tool 1
                                        M307 H2 R2.050 C309.100:130.600 D6.20 S1.00 V24.3 B0
                                        M570 H2 P10 T25 S0.1"

                                        Worth a try.

                                        At some point did you verify that each tool board is actually at the address you are using?

                                        Frederick

                                        Printers: a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duet 3 hardware running 3.4.6

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                                          KevinMar @fcwilt
                                          last edited by 20 Aug 2021, 18:50

                                          @fcwilt Yes, toolboards are at the addresses assigned

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