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    • o_lampeundefined
      o_lampe @T3P3Tony
      last edited by o_lampe

      @T3P3Tony
      It's probably the filament that bends in a certain direction when pressure increases. They could design the filament path in such way, that it bends in a predictable way.
      But that would highly depend on the stiffness of the filament and would need a calibration with temp-compensation

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      • PenguinAkikoundefined
        PenguinAkiko @T3P3Tony
        last edited by

        @T3P3Tony Same as the string gauge, it looks like the hotend can move up and down
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        • PenguinAkikoundefined
          PenguinAkiko
          last edited by

          RP2040 have two core and fust enough ADC to measure string gauge.
          I think it can save pressure data to calculate pressure curve
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          • PenguinAkikoundefined
            PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
            last edited by

            @penguinya da7bc2c9-8428-444c-aef2-0d8857bed3f9-image.png

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            • PenguinAkikoundefined
              PenguinAkiko @T3P3Tony
              last edited by

              @T3P3Tony found some articles https://airtripper.com/1338/airtripper-extruder-filament-force-sensor-introduction/

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              • PenguinAkikoundefined
                PenguinAkiko
                last edited by

                15 minutes, 16 seconds to 17 seconds, the hotend moves up and down.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ3BtQ7k9Ak

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                • nikschaundefined
                  nikscha
                  last edited by

                  I love the idea!
                  I guess you could write a gcode snippet in daemon.g which continously reads straingauge values and adjusts pressure advance values?
                  Duet can read sensors via SPI, maybe a dedicated "strain gauge sensor" option would be possible? One could also put together a small PCB that amplifies the strain gauge reading into a voltage that can just be read by a linear analog sensor on the Duet?

                  Stay in school

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                  • PenguinAkikoundefined
                    PenguinAkiko @nikscha
                    last edited by

                    @nikscha macro not fast enough, and this is my idea https://forum.duet3d.com/post/324006

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                    • PenguinAkikoundefined
                      PenguinAkiko
                      last edited by

                      Automated PA testing is still an early idea. I hope to implement z probe and collect enough PA pressure data for research.

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                      • nikschaundefined
                        nikscha @PenguinAkiko
                        last edited by nikscha

                        @penguinya I think it would be fast enough. Just put a "while true" into daemon.g and then a G4 P50 in the body to execute your script every 50ms. (Edit: this wouldn't actually run that frequent, more like 3-6 times a second)

                        I don't think pressure advance needs to be adjusted that often, right?

                        Stay in school

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                        • PenguinAkikoundefined
                          PenguinAkiko @nikscha
                          last edited by PenguinAkiko

                          @nikscha Bambu Lab tests pa every print, and 50ms really slow, HX711 can reach 80HZ, Prusa using HX717 320HZ, higher the sampling frequency, the more beneficial for auto PA testing.

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                          • PenguinAkikoundefined
                            PenguinAkiko
                            last edited by

                            find a better chip for load cell.
                            CS1237 http://www.asidesigner.com/Files/PartFiles/15315/222/cs1237_datasheet.pdf
                            spi bus 1.28kHz ADC and PGA

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                            • PenguinAkikoundefined
                              PenguinAkiko @nikscha
                              last edited by

                              @nikscha Here is a post about sampling speed
                              https://forum.duet3d.com/post/251488

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                              • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                PenguinAkiko
                                last edited by

                                https://wiki.bambulab.com/en/a1/manual/intro-a1
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                                • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                  PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
                                  last edited by

                                  @penguinya The introduction of bambulab confirmed my guess.

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                                  • Charlieundefined
                                    Charlie
                                    last edited by

                                    Correct me if Im wrong, but I feel like this sensor could also be used for filament runout/jam detection as well. Like if the force expected by feeding the filament is not produced, it could indicate that there is some filament error.

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                                    • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                      PenguinAkiko @Charlie
                                      last edited by

                                      @Charlie Yes prusa has implemented it

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                                      • Richard Fundefined
                                        Richard F @Charlie
                                        last edited by

                                        @Charlie would a mouse optical sensor work to monitor filament

                                        do we need more than this for a run out trigger Untitled.png

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                                        • oliofundefined
                                          oliof @Richard F
                                          last edited by

                                          @Richard-F that's the simple runout switch that you find on many printers. There are other filament failures you'd want to catch.

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                                          • Charlieundefined
                                            Charlie @PenguinAkiko
                                            last edited by

                                            @penguinya Do you have a link to this? I havent seen anything about it.

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