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    • PenguinAkikoundefined
      PenguinAkiko @nikscha
      last edited by

      @nikscha macro not fast enough, and this is my idea https://forum.duet3d.com/post/324006

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      • PenguinAkikoundefined
        PenguinAkiko
        last edited by

        Automated PA testing is still an early idea. I hope to implement z probe and collect enough PA pressure data for research.

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        • nikschaundefined
          nikscha @PenguinAkiko
          last edited by nikscha

          @penguinya I think it would be fast enough. Just put a "while true" into daemon.g and then a G4 P50 in the body to execute your script every 50ms. (Edit: this wouldn't actually run that frequent, more like 3-6 times a second)

          I don't think pressure advance needs to be adjusted that often, right?

          Stay in school

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          • PenguinAkikoundefined
            PenguinAkiko @nikscha
            last edited by PenguinAkiko

            @nikscha Bambu Lab tests pa every print, and 50ms really slow, HX711 can reach 80HZ, Prusa using HX717 320HZ, higher the sampling frequency, the more beneficial for auto PA testing.

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            • PenguinAkikoundefined
              PenguinAkiko
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              find a better chip for load cell.
              CS1237 http://www.asidesigner.com/Files/PartFiles/15315/222/cs1237_datasheet.pdf
              spi bus 1.28kHz ADC and PGA

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              • PenguinAkikoundefined
                PenguinAkiko @nikscha
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                @nikscha Here is a post about sampling speed
                https://forum.duet3d.com/post/251488

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                • PenguinAkikoundefined
                  PenguinAkiko
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                  https://wiki.bambulab.com/en/a1/manual/intro-a1
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                  • PenguinAkikoundefined
                    PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
                    last edited by

                    @penguinya The introduction of bambulab confirmed my guess.

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                    • Charlieundefined
                      Charlie
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                      Correct me if Im wrong, but I feel like this sensor could also be used for filament runout/jam detection as well. Like if the force expected by feeding the filament is not produced, it could indicate that there is some filament error.

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                      • PenguinAkikoundefined
                        PenguinAkiko @Charlie
                        last edited by

                        @Charlie Yes prusa has implemented it

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                        • Richard Fundefined
                          Richard F @Charlie
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                          @Charlie would a mouse optical sensor work to monitor filament

                          do we need more than this for a run out trigger Untitled.png

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                          • oliofundefined
                            oliof @Richard F
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                            @Richard-F that's the simple runout switch that you find on many printers. There are other filament failures you'd want to catch.

                            <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                            • Charlieundefined
                              Charlie @PenguinAkiko
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                              @penguinya Do you have a link to this? I havent seen anything about it.

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                              • Charlieundefined
                                Charlie @Richard F
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                                @Richard-F It would absolutely work. Ive seen a few systems using this, and Ive used it myself in the past. I know the Duet supports it, though Id recommend looking around to see how others have implemented it. (eg: using printed levers to contact the filament instead of the switch lever contacting the filament directly)

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                                • Richard Fundefined
                                  Richard F @Charlie
                                  last edited by

                                  @Charlie Thanks 🙂

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                                  • Charlieundefined
                                    Charlie @Richard F
                                    last edited by

                                    @Richard-F Youre welcome. Happy Printing! 🙂

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                                    • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                      PenguinAkiko
                                      last edited by

                                      Just an updating.
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                                      • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                        PenguinAkiko @Charlie
                                        last edited by

                                        @Charlie https://help.prusa3d.com/article/stuck-filament-detection-13101-mk4-21101-mk3-9-17108-xl_690089

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                                        • Charlieundefined
                                          Charlie @PenguinAkiko
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                                          @penguinya I love it! I'm assuming that the geometry near the top is to allow for deflection that can be measured using a strain gage.

                                          Random thought though. Would it be necessary to constrain it some other way to prevent loads from being transmitted from the model being printed to the load cell? Like, if you do a travel move, and the nozzle skips along the top of the print, it will transfer load to the load cell. Perhaps this can be mitigated in firmware (by not taking measurements unless its actively extruding) or filtering out certain frequencies.

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                                          • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                            PenguinAkiko @Charlie
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                                            @Charlie According to the simulation results, the impact on printing is unobservable.
                                            Aluminum 6061, 100N force
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