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    • PenguinAkikoundefined
      PenguinAkiko @nikscha
      last edited by PenguinAkiko

      @nikscha Bambu Lab tests pa every print, and 50ms really slow, HX711 can reach 80HZ, Prusa using HX717 320HZ, higher the sampling frequency, the more beneficial for auto PA testing.

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      • PenguinAkikoundefined
        PenguinAkiko
        last edited by

        find a better chip for load cell.
        CS1237 http://www.asidesigner.com/Files/PartFiles/15315/222/cs1237_datasheet.pdf
        spi bus 1.28kHz ADC and PGA

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        • PenguinAkikoundefined
          PenguinAkiko @nikscha
          last edited by

          @nikscha Here is a post about sampling speed
          https://forum.duet3d.com/post/251488

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          • PenguinAkikoundefined
            PenguinAkiko
            last edited by

            https://wiki.bambulab.com/en/a1/manual/intro-a1
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            • PenguinAkikoundefined
              PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
              last edited by

              @penguinya The introduction of bambulab confirmed my guess.

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              • Charlieundefined
                Charlie
                last edited by

                Correct me if Im wrong, but I feel like this sensor could also be used for filament runout/jam detection as well. Like if the force expected by feeding the filament is not produced, it could indicate that there is some filament error.

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                • PenguinAkikoundefined
                  PenguinAkiko @Charlie
                  last edited by

                  @Charlie Yes prusa has implemented it

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                  • Richard Fundefined
                    Richard F @Charlie
                    last edited by

                    @Charlie would a mouse optical sensor work to monitor filament

                    do we need more than this for a run out trigger Untitled.png

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                    • oliofundefined
                      oliof @Richard F
                      last edited by

                      @Richard-F that's the simple runout switch that you find on many printers. There are other filament failures you'd want to catch.

                      <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                      • Charlieundefined
                        Charlie @PenguinAkiko
                        last edited by

                        @penguinya Do you have a link to this? I havent seen anything about it.

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                        • Charlieundefined
                          Charlie @Richard F
                          last edited by

                          @Richard-F It would absolutely work. Ive seen a few systems using this, and Ive used it myself in the past. I know the Duet supports it, though Id recommend looking around to see how others have implemented it. (eg: using printed levers to contact the filament instead of the switch lever contacting the filament directly)

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                          • Richard Fundefined
                            Richard F @Charlie
                            last edited by

                            @Charlie Thanks 🙂

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                            • Charlieundefined
                              Charlie @Richard F
                              last edited by

                              @Richard-F Youre welcome. Happy Printing! 🙂

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                              • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                PenguinAkiko
                                last edited by

                                Just an updating.
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                                • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                  PenguinAkiko @Charlie
                                  last edited by

                                  @Charlie https://help.prusa3d.com/article/stuck-filament-detection-13101-mk4-21101-mk3-9-17108-xl_690089

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                                  • Charlieundefined
                                    Charlie @PenguinAkiko
                                    last edited by

                                    @penguinya I love it! I'm assuming that the geometry near the top is to allow for deflection that can be measured using a strain gage.

                                    Random thought though. Would it be necessary to constrain it some other way to prevent loads from being transmitted from the model being printed to the load cell? Like, if you do a travel move, and the nozzle skips along the top of the print, it will transfer load to the load cell. Perhaps this can be mitigated in firmware (by not taking measurements unless its actively extruding) or filtering out certain frequencies.

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                                    • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                      PenguinAkiko @Charlie
                                      last edited by

                                      @Charlie According to the simulation results, the impact on printing is unobservable.
                                      Aluminum 6061, 100N force
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                                      • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                        PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
                                        last edited by

                                        @penguinya Just early version, I think it is ok.
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                                        • Charlieundefined
                                          Charlie @PenguinAkiko
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                                          @penguinya Cool work! And apologies if I was unclear, but I was thinking that the print itself may induce feedback that may skew how the strain is being determined. Not that the reduced material would affect print quality. But again, that may be able to be filtered out.

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                                          • MJLewundefined
                                            MJLew @PenguinAkiko
                                            last edited by

                                            @penguinya Yes, it's operating on Prusa MK4 and XL, but I had to turn it off on my machine because it was falsely triggering on the first layers when they had low layer height. I suspect that there might need to be some exception incorporated for those circumstances.

                                            They have described it in these release notes.

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