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    deckingman @elmoret
    last edited by 1 Dec 2023, 06:58

    @elmoret said in Duet3D announces new tool board at FormNext:

    @Surgikill the trouble with letting the motor get hotter is that it will result in the gearbox temperatures being exceeded - not a simple change to make, or I’m sure they’d have done it. 180C windings are also more expensive, and of no benefit to 95% of users.

    Maybe a HT version in the future, with 180C windings and an uprated gearbox… but then the fan’s the limit. So water cooling? And round and round you go, building a product for an increasingly small customer set.

    And as you said above, the temperature limit could be based on printing PLA without jamming. That might be down to the efficiency of the heat break. If so, then when you get up to circa 80 Deg ambient, other filaments might start to jam too. From what I've been told, most electronic components will have a shorter life when subjected to higher temperatures so it may be the case that users might have accept a much shorter service life and replace the boards every year or so. All in all, it might just be better to enclose the print head from the heat break upwards in some sort of box and pump cool ambient air into it. A bit of a pain to do but it might work out cheaper in the long run.

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      Surgikill @deckingman
      last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 17:47

      @deckingman from the video interview they did they said that this heatsink is the most efficient heatsink they have ever designed, but that doesn't mean it can wick away more heat.

      I'm hoping that the limit is pla printing, but I kind of doubt it. I might be able to get away with 40c chamber temp, but would much rather run at 65. Guess I will just have to use the hemera xs.

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        jay_s_uk @Surgikill
        last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 19:20

        @Surgikill I spoke to E3D about this today. The limitation on the 40 degrees is the motor, nothing else. They will releasing a more capable motor in the new year

        Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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          Surgikill @jay_s_uk
          last edited by 4 Dec 2023, 16:07

          @jay_s_uk Awesome. Thanks for the heads up. I submitted a support request but haven't heard anything back.

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            Surgikill @jay_s_uk
            last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 17:25

            @jay_s_uk said in Duet3D announces new tool board at FormNext:

            @Surgikill I spoke to E3D about this today. The limitation on the 40 degrees is the motor, nothing else. They will releasing a more capable motor in the new year

            Just to corroborate this, I received this response from e3d today. Hopefully the ht version does release this month.

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              Mr.Crispin @Surgikill
              last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 21:07

              This make you wonder why they (E3D) released a product only to advise they are going to update it a few weeks later, i wonder if early adopters with get an upgrade ?

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                Exerqtor @Mr.Crispin
                last edited by 5 Dec 2023, 21:16

                @Mr-Crispin said in Duet3D announces new tool board at FormNext:

                This make you wonder why they (E3D) released a product only to advise they are going to update it a few weeks later, i wonder if early adopters with get an upgrade ?

                I think you/we/many are overthinking what most/many use their 3D printers for. Most people using their 3D printer for hobby stuff without an enclosure will probably newer have an issue with a 40C rated DD extruder, since they're probably pushing PLA or PET with it anyways.

                And those of us with enclosued printers pushing ABS, ASA etc. will just have to wait. A larger "issue/challenge" is the torque/accelerantion dropoff the Roto apparently has (based on Thomas Sanladerer's video).

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                  Notepad
                  last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 13:16

                  Also lets not forget about E3D's design methodology of under promise over deliver.

                  The reason for the 40C recommended limit is going to be a worst case scenario style of limit. where you are running the extruder at max power, on a high flow hot end, on the largest nozzle, in higher than ambient temperatures, with a low temp filament.

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                    dc42 administrators @Exerqtor
                    last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 15:42

                    @Exerqtor said in Duet3D announces new tool board at FormNext:

                    And those of us with enclosued printers pushing ABS, ASA etc. will just have to wait. A larger "issue/challenge" is the torque/accelerantion dropoff the Roto apparently has (based on Thomas Sanladerer's video).

                    There is speculation in the comments (which Tom hadn't denied when I looked yesterday) that the dropoff at high extrusion rates was caused at least in part by running the extruder in stealthChop mode.

                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                      Surgikill @Exerqtor
                      last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 18:00

                      @Exerqtor I'm still waiting on more tests. My money is on the stealthchop issue. Apparently around 300rpm is where the problem arises. I'll do some quick math to see if that is around the 8mm/s where he was experiencing drop off.

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                        Notepad @dc42
                        last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 19:28

                        @dc42 I cant say for certain as I have only tested the preproduction version. But I definitely didn't get the same values as Tom

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                          Surgikill @Surgikill
                          last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 19:53

                          @Surgikill said in Duet3D announces new tool board at FormNext:

                          @Exerqtor I'm still waiting on more tests. My money is on the stealthchop issue. Apparently around 300rpm is where the problem arises. I'll do some quick math to see if that is around the 8mm/s where he was experiencing drop off.

                          At 300rpm on the motor, the hobbed gear would need to be around 18mm in order to achieve 8mm/s. At 10mm/s it would need to be around 23mm. I'm not sure on the actual size, but I would bet all my money it's less than 18mm, so that motor was going well in excess of 300rpm. Definitely needs more testing.

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                            jchodakowski
                            last edited by 9 Dec 2023, 20:17

                            Is there any access to the printed mount parts for the Z sensor? I've seen the spacer for the tb but nothing else.

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                              jltx
                              last edited by 28 Dec 2023, 23:19

                              Does the roto toolboard come with scanning z probe coils? I don’t see where to get those separately.

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                                elmoret @jltx
                                last edited by 29 Dec 2023, 04:03

                                @jltx Yes

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                                  Edkirk
                                  last edited by 30 Dec 2023, 04:09

                                  I have ordered the new tool board to install on my Voron Trident with Micro Swiss NG Extruder, E3D hotend using Duet IR Probe for Z probe. I see in the Duet 3 Roto Toolboard documentation under Firmware notes "Compatible RepRapFirmware version 3.5 or later". I updated my 6HC with SBC which only goes up to 3.4.6, is there going to be any problems using 3.4.6 or do I have to wait for 3.5?

                                  I plan on using a Voron Tap Z-Probe with optical sensor (not Duet IR probe I am currently using) then when I have everything working converting the Tap optical to Piezo from Precision Piezo to work like the Delta Smart Effector so the Tap probe will be a true tap probe like the Delta Smart Effector. Does this configuration look like it will work? Thanks, Ed

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                                    jay_s_uk @Edkirk
                                    last edited by 30 Dec 2023, 07:53

                                    @Edkirk you need to use 3.5. It won't work correctly with 3.4.6

                                    Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                      dc42 administrators @Edkirk
                                      last edited by 30 Dec 2023, 08:30

                                      @Edkirk you can install 3.5.0-rc.2 if you switch your package feed on the SBC from the stable to the unstable feed.

                                      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                      Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                      http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        Edkirk @dc42
                                        last edited by 30 Dec 2023, 12:37

                                        @dc42 Where do I find package feed?

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                                          Exerqtor @Edkirk
                                          last edited by 30 Dec 2023, 12:52

                                          @Edkirk said in Duet3D announces new tool board at FormNext:

                                          @dc42 Where do I find package feed?

                                          Check this out 😊

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