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    • PenguinAkikoundefined
      PenguinAkiko
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      find a better chip for load cell.
      CS1237 http://www.asidesigner.com/Files/PartFiles/15315/222/cs1237_datasheet.pdf
      spi bus 1.28kHz ADC and PGA

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      • PenguinAkikoundefined
        PenguinAkiko @nikscha
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        @nikscha Here is a post about sampling speed
        https://forum.duet3d.com/post/251488

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        • PenguinAkikoundefined
          PenguinAkiko
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          https://wiki.bambulab.com/en/a1/manual/intro-a1
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          • PenguinAkikoundefined
            PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
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            @penguinya The introduction of bambulab confirmed my guess.

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            • Charlieundefined
              Charlie
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              Correct me if Im wrong, but I feel like this sensor could also be used for filament runout/jam detection as well. Like if the force expected by feeding the filament is not produced, it could indicate that there is some filament error.

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              • PenguinAkikoundefined
                PenguinAkiko @Charlie
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                @Charlie Yes prusa has implemented it

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                • Richard Fundefined
                  Richard F @Charlie
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                  @Charlie would a mouse optical sensor work to monitor filament

                  do we need more than this for a run out trigger Untitled.png

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                  • oliofundefined
                    oliof @Richard F
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                    @Richard-F that's the simple runout switch that you find on many printers. There are other filament failures you'd want to catch.

                    <>RatRig V-Minion Fly Super5Pro RRF<> V-Core 3.1 IDEX k*****r <> RatRig V-Minion SKR 2 Marlin<>

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                    • Charlieundefined
                      Charlie @PenguinAkiko
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                      @penguinya Do you have a link to this? I havent seen anything about it.

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                      • Charlieundefined
                        Charlie @Richard F
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                        @Richard-F It would absolutely work. Ive seen a few systems using this, and Ive used it myself in the past. I know the Duet supports it, though Id recommend looking around to see how others have implemented it. (eg: using printed levers to contact the filament instead of the switch lever contacting the filament directly)

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                        • Richard Fundefined
                          Richard F @Charlie
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                          @Charlie Thanks 🙂

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                          • Charlieundefined
                            Charlie @Richard F
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                            @Richard-F Youre welcome. Happy Printing! 🙂

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                            • PenguinAkikoundefined
                              PenguinAkiko
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                              Just an updating.
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                              • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                PenguinAkiko @Charlie
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                                @Charlie https://help.prusa3d.com/article/stuck-filament-detection-13101-mk4-21101-mk3-9-17108-xl_690089

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                                • Charlieundefined
                                  Charlie @PenguinAkiko
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                                  @penguinya I love it! I'm assuming that the geometry near the top is to allow for deflection that can be measured using a strain gage.

                                  Random thought though. Would it be necessary to constrain it some other way to prevent loads from being transmitted from the model being printed to the load cell? Like, if you do a travel move, and the nozzle skips along the top of the print, it will transfer load to the load cell. Perhaps this can be mitigated in firmware (by not taking measurements unless its actively extruding) or filtering out certain frequencies.

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                                  • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                    PenguinAkiko @Charlie
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                                    @Charlie According to the simulation results, the impact on printing is unobservable.
                                    Aluminum 6061, 100N force
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                                    • PenguinAkikoundefined
                                      PenguinAkiko @PenguinAkiko
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                                      @penguinya Just early version, I think it is ok.
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                                      • Charlieundefined
                                        Charlie @PenguinAkiko
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                                        @penguinya Cool work! And apologies if I was unclear, but I was thinking that the print itself may induce feedback that may skew how the strain is being determined. Not that the reduced material would affect print quality. But again, that may be able to be filtered out.

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                                        • MJLewundefined
                                          MJLew @PenguinAkiko
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                                          @penguinya Yes, it's operating on Prusa MK4 and XL, but I had to turn it off on my machine because it was falsely triggering on the first layers when they had low layer height. I suspect that there might need to be some exception incorporated for those circumstances.

                                          They have described it in these release notes.

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                                          • Tinchusundefined
                                            Tinchus
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                                            @T3P3Tony I have a meeting a super long time ago with the trinamics team, it was the time were they were just launching their drivers. They made to me a presentation, where they showed me on a screen how sensitive was their torque detection on a common nema17 motor. I clearly rememnber thatn even a very soft touch to the motor axis using my finger, was being detected by the driver and shown on screen.
                                            This is basically the stall detection capabilities.
                                            I have a long no started idea to try to tune the 5160 drivers on the extruder to be able to detect a change on pressure change while extruding. I managed to do something (not finished) but woulkd it be possible for you to access directly thjrough firmware the driver data and detect these torque changes?
                                            This would be my idea on how to do it with your actual hardware. I think It would be possible, trinamics offers its API of their drivers to work on such features too.

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