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    • deckingmanundefined
      deckingman
      last edited by

      That'll do.

      Ian
      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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      • mrehorstdmdundefined
        mrehorstdmd
        last edited by mrehorstdmd

        With this sort of thing I tend to think about what might go wrong and what I can do to prevent it. I try to only have to do things once. Making things as close to ideal (in the relevant properties) as possible reduces the things you have to consider if something goes wrong. If I use a plastic part in an assembly I tend to make it bulky to ensure rigidity, so I wouldn't use thin plastic flanges, even with side-webbing, to support a relatively large weight or something that will be loaded by a drive belt.

        At the very least I would thicken the flange that bolts to the top side of the t-slot, maybe to the point of making it continuous with the body of the part. I'm not saying that your flange design won't be adequate, but if it isn't, you'll be redesigning and reprinting.

        In the end, you should worry less about the plastic flexing and more about the t-slot it's bolted to twisting.

        https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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        • claustroundefined
          claustro @mrehorstdmd
          last edited by

          @mrehorstdmd
          is something like this enough "bulky"?

          0_1559405728244_lead screw mount 2 v2.jpg

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          • mrehorstdmdundefined
            mrehorstdmd
            last edited by

            Yes, I'd do something like that. I'd also use modifier meshes to increase the fill density around the mounting bolt holes.

            https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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            • Vetiundefined
              Veti
              last edited by

              that reminds me there was a video by alex kenis about this
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z7mZVvPlc8

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              • claustroundefined
                claustro
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                While I am trying to fix the squareness of the frame I finalized!the Z axis belt system
                This is what it came out.
                I tried to make the belt running as much as possible around the pulley with this setup all the pulley has 180 degree belt contact.
                The 2 tensioners are temporary , I am going to print a support for it
                Any suggestion will be appreciated.
                Thank you
                Andrea
                0_1559588633233_20190603_173238 (Medium).jpg

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                • deckingmanundefined
                  deckingman @claustro
                  last edited by

                  @claustro How come those front two lead screws are set so far back from the front of the frame?

                  Ian
                  https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                  https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                  • claustroundefined
                    claustro @deckingman
                    last edited by

                    @deckingman this is only a temporary disposition , at the end the 2 front lead screw will be as far as possible from the back one

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                    • deckingmanundefined
                      deckingman @claustro
                      last edited by

                      @claustro said in Best lead screw - ball bearing mount system:

                      @deckingman this is only a temporary disposition , at the end the 2 front lead screw will be as far as possible from the back one

                      Ah OK. I was a bit concerned that the two side rails might flex due to the weight of the bed acting so far away from the end fixings. Those "Tee plates" might flex though. If you can, check for any deflection by using a dial gauge if you can lay your hands on one, and adding a weight to simulate the weight of the bed to the top of the lead screw couplings.

                      Ian
                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                      • claustroundefined
                        claustro @deckingman
                        last edited by

                        @deckingman

                        I am trying to use your Z rail configuration with only 2 carriage in a diagonal disposition .
                        If you talking about the plastic tee plate , the one that fix the 2020 that support the 2 front lead screws, I am going to switch to aluminum one as soon I 'll have my CNC running . ( it will be my first easy test with aluminum 🙂 )

                        I have a dial gauge and I surely check what you suggest.

                        0_1559593583822_Immagine.jpg

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                        • deckingmanundefined
                          deckingman @claustro
                          last edited by

                          @claustro For info, here is how I mounted my lead screw blocks.

                          0_1559597136362_ZAxisCompleteSmall.jpg

                          So each block is supported on two 2020 extrusions. One might be OK but check for deflection.

                          Ian
                          https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                          https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                          • claustroundefined
                            claustro
                            last edited by

                            I have 2 spare 2040 peaces I can always copy your design in case I'll find some flex

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                            • claustroundefined
                              claustro
                              last edited by

                              I changed the setup following your tips this is the result.
                              Now I have to choose if make a bed leveled by lead screws or by another set of screws only for the bed.

                              0_1560415418410_20190611_184108 (Small).jpg

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                              • deckingmanundefined
                                deckingman @claustro
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                                @claustro That looks very familiar ☺

                                Ian
                                https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                • claustroundefined
                                  claustro @deckingman
                                  last edited by

                                  @deckingman eh eh 🙂

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                                  • claustroundefined
                                    claustro
                                    last edited by

                                    I am thinking to change my setup.
                                    with only one bearing when I tension the belt the shaft tend to be dragged towards the centre, creating tension on the lead screw, for this reason I am making another support for another ball bearing under the previous one fixed on the other side of the vslot. The 4cm distance between the 2 bearing should improve the stiffness of the system.

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                                    • claustroundefined
                                      claustro
                                      last edited by

                                      this is what I did
                                      0_1560792326047_20190617_191558 (Piccola).jpg

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                                      • bondusundefined
                                        bondus
                                        last edited by bondus

                                        I have had issues with the z-axis due to that the 8mm hole on the pulleys are slightly oversized. Advertised 8mm, real world 8.07mm. And the lead screws tend to be slightly undersized, typically 7.9mm. This may lead to that the pulley is mounted at a slight angle causing massive z-banding. With an 8mm pitch screw it is not very visible, but with a 1.5mm pitch screw it certainly is.

                                        The nice screw @claustro has should solve that problem. Where did you find such a screw?
                                        My goto screw-peddler offers them with a machined 5mm end, I'm very tempted to get one of those.

                                        @sinned6915 said in Best lead screw - ball bearing mount system:

                                        Proper design would be to use a pair of angular contact bearings that bear on a shoulder, but those are $$$

                                        0_1560801837598_AngularBearing.jpg
                                        $5 a piece on ali, seems to be good quality. A bit scary with an open bearing.

                                        Edit: Typo

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                                        • sinned6915undefined
                                          sinned6915
                                          last edited by sinned6915

                                          @bondus - what bearing is that? you have piqued my curiosity.
                                          looking at my printer now, i realize that i might have left out and important bit- i used a shaft collar on there too between the pulley and the thrust bearing-
                                          https://www.mcmaster.com/6655k54
                                          and i think
                                          https://www.mcmaster.com/6157k32

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                                          • bondusundefined
                                            bondus
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                                            @sinned6915. Clamping shaft collar, should get a straighter clamp than with a set screw, I need to get some of those.

                                            The bearing is a 798C, 15 degree angle bearing. Mochu has their own shop on ali, lots of specialized bearings. I have bought many bearings from them, they are good.
                                            0_1560867899433_IMG_20190618_160007793_HDR - Copy.jpg

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