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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators @apak
      last edited by dc42

      @apak said in ethernet to esp breakboard:

      Do you think that I could get any trouble using this board?

      It will almost certainly generate more EMI than the on-board WiFi module, so getting CE certification for a printer using it might be difficult. Other than that, I don't see any problems. The critical traces to keep short are the ground traces and the SPI traces.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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      • apakundefined
        apak @dc42
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        @dc42 in that case I will try this breakboard, shorter pads
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        • o_lampeundefined
          o_lampe @apak
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          @apak
          The positions of some 'vias' are pretty close to adjacent pads. The routing could use some cleaning...

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          • apakundefined
            apak @o_lampe
            last edited by

            @o_lampe I have no tecnical education, I used the autoroute feature. Already ordered.

            First pcb disconnects from wifi once you start to print....so DON´T use first PCB

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            • jay_s_ukundefined
              jay_s_uk @apak
              last edited by

              @apak have you included any resistors that may be required?

              Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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              • apakundefined
                apak @jay_s_uk
                last edited by

                @jay_s_uk nope

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                • jay_s_ukundefined
                  jay_s_uk @apak
                  last edited by

                  @apak i suggest you review the schematics.
                  I don't know what resistors aren't included onboard when its the ethernet module and some may be required to be added on certain lines.

                  Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                  • apakundefined
                    apak @jay_s_uk
                    last edited by

                    @jay_s_uk don´t see any, looks like direct pin contact between "comm alternate header" and ESP pins
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                    • jay_s_ukundefined
                      jay_s_uk @apak
                      last edited by

                      @apak what about these ones i've highlighted in red?
                      These are the ones that probably won't be there on an ethernet board.
                      I only have wifi boards here so can't check.
                      maybe @T3P3Tony or @dc42 can comment?
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                      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                      • dc42undefined
                        dc42 administrators @jay_s_uk
                        last edited by

                        The other thing that may be missing on an Ethernet board is the 74HC74 chip. However, if you use wifi firmware 1.24 or later then you can bypass it by installing R82.

                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                        • apakundefined
                          apak @jay_s_uk
                          last edited by apak

                          @jay_s_uk all that should be already on the duet board, we are talking to direct pin contact between alt comm ports and the esp solder traces...

                          At this point I point out that I have just converted ethernet clone boards to esp-07s so far with no trouble, but soldering the esp to the board traces

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                          • jay_s_ukundefined
                            jay_s_uk @apak
                            last edited by

                            @apak fair enough. It's just not what the schematics implies

                            Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                            • apakundefined
                              apak @jay_s_uk
                              last edited by

                              @apak photo_2021-04-15_10-57-54.jpg
                              seems everything is in place, also the 74HC74

                              guess that the chinnese clons just install everything for the wifi version and then just plug the ethernet board

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                              • arhiundefined
                                arhi @alankilian
                                last edited by

                                @alankilian said in ethernet to esp breakboard:

                                @apak If you ever want to do this kind of thing again, you might want to use these surface-mount 0.1" header pins.
                                https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/oupiin/2015-1X40G01DBB/13251225

                                pay attention that these are not super strong and that, especially with 3 raw's of pins, removing the board from the socket requires a lot of force and it can rip the pins off the board ... happened to me too many times to count 😞 that I avoid using the smd .1" pins any time I can

                                taking into account how free the boards at jlcpcb are I'd go with 4 layer, put all the traces inside and ground on the outside, it should help with EMI and the behavior of the ESP module and would not change the price of the board significantly

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                                • apakundefined
                                  apak @arhi
                                  last edited by apak

                                  @arhi
                                  I had to make my own pin strip since on my local store didn´t have them

                                  It´s working fine, no disconnections while printing like with the first prototype

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                                  • arhiundefined
                                    arhi @apak
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                                    @apak said in ethernet to esp breakboard:

                                    no disconnections while printing like with the first prototype

                                    I have never seen those disconnect from vibrations, I had them rip out the pads when you try to remove them from the header

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                                    • apakundefined
                                      apak @arhi
                                      last edited by

                                      @arhi I meant the the first prototype had wifi disconections due to long tracks, this one has shorter pads, and looks like it works just fine while printing. The first one just didn´t work while printing

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                                      • alankilianundefined
                                        alankilian @apak
                                        last edited by

                                        @apak Excellent work.

                                        It's great to see prototypes make progress to working products.

                                        SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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                                        • arhiundefined
                                          arhi @apak
                                          last edited by

                                          @apak glad to hear, I assumed since you tagged me you were talking about other stuff :D, but yes, I mentioned both things so makes sense 🙂 ... great that it works!!! I myself converted few from wifi to eth 😄 I hate wifi on static equipment

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                                          • CNCModellerundefined
                                            CNCModeller @apak
                                            last edited by CNCModeller

                                            @apak

                                            That looks the part alright. Can you please share the PCB design so I can order one for my Duet?

                                            Many thanks
                                            Barry M

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