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    • MaxGyverundefined
      MaxGyver @dc42
      last edited by MaxGyver

      @dc42

      That's a very good point.
      I am wondering if the effector tilt can be measured and actively compensated by software...but this is probably another topic...

      Ball spacing of 70mm between the ball centers should be sufficient for a compact direct extruder. It would need to be raised tough in order to clear the hotend collet. I have also tried fitting other hotends like the Voron-Revo and Pheatus Rapido/Goliath. The Voron-Revo does not work, but the Pheatus Rapido/Goliath might just work. The M3 mounting holes just clear the center hole of the effector, but I recon it will mess with the placement of the strain gauges. The threaded E3D-V6 and E3D-Revo Micro support a large range of hotend combinations. Maybe we should stick with those for the sake of simplicity.

      EDIT: and there is also the option to use an adapter like this

      E3D Revo-Micro
      Screenshot 2024-01-14 225726.png

      Top View of the effektor with a sherpa mini
      Screenshot 2024-01-14 231601.png

      Bondtech LGX Lite
      Screenshot 2024-01-14 231617.png

      VZ-Hextrudort
      Screenshot 2024-01-14 231636.png

      EDIT: The Orbiter 2.0 was missing
      Screenshot 2024-01-16 184320.png

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      • Bipotronicundefined
        Bipotronic
        last edited by Bipotronic

        I'd be interested in an Orbiter V2.0 or Bondtech LGX Lite or Revo Roto version.

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        • T3P3Tonyundefined
          T3P3Tony administrators @MaxGyver
          last edited by

          @MaxGyver those renders were very helpful. could you do one for the Revo Roto as well?

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          • MaxGyverundefined
            MaxGyver @T3P3Tony
            last edited by

            @T3P3Tony said in Combined Smart Effector and tool board for delta printers:

            @MaxGyver those renders were very helpful. could you do one for the Revo Roto as well?

            Of course, I am happy to!

            The Revo Roto is a bit longer, so it would have to be rotated by 60°

            Screenshot 2024-01-16 175416.png
            Screenshot 2024-01-16 175449.png

            The setup would be extremely compact.
            Screenshot 2024-01-16 175720.png

            I have designed a Delta Printer a while back and was basically waiting for a CAN-Smart effector to emerge. So I took the chance to ckeck for any collision points between extruder the Arms (360mm Haydn Magball Arms).
            And it looks like the Revo Roto will juuuust fit.

            Screenshot 2024-01-16 181831.png
            Screenshot 2024-01-16 181921.png

            Unfortunately, there is no way to mount the Revo Roto from below trough the effector plate
            Screenshot 2024-01-16 175825.png

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            • wbrokow1undefined
              wbrokow1
              last edited by

              I would buy an updated effector and new extruder assembly if available.

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              • Exerqtorundefined
                Exerqtor @MaxGyver
                last edited by

                @MaxGyver said in Combined Smart Effector and tool board for delta printers:

                @T3P3Tony said in Combined Smart Effector and tool board for delta printers:

                @MaxGyver those renders were very helpful. could you do one for the Revo Roto as well?

                Of course, I am happy to!

                The Revo Roto is a bit longer, so it would have to be rotated by 60°

                Screenshot 2024-01-16 175416.png
                Screenshot 2024-01-16 175449.png

                The setup would be extremely compact.
                Screenshot 2024-01-16 175720.png

                I have designed a Delta Printer a while back and was basically waiting for a CAN-Smart effector to emerge. So I took the chance to ckeck for any collision points between extruder the Arms (360mm Haydn Magball Arms).
                And it looks like the Revo Roto will juuuust fit.

                Screenshot 2024-01-16 181831.png
                Screenshot 2024-01-16 181921.png

                Unfortunately, there is no way to mount the Revo Roto from below trough the effector plate
                Screenshot 2024-01-16 175825.png

                Wouldn't the tight clearance be solved by rising the balls ever so slightly from the PCB? I mean just 1-2mm would have alot of effect, if it don't play very negstively into the kinematics (I have no experience with Deltas).

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                • o_lampeundefined
                  o_lampe @MaxGyver
                  last edited by o_lampe

                  @MaxGyver @T3P3Tony I wonder if the Revo Roto could be placed directly on the PCB?
                  Aren't there any electronic parts or headers?

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                  • T3P3Tonyundefined
                    T3P3Tony administrators @o_lampe
                    last edited by

                    @o_lampe there will be electronic components and the headers for fans, heaters, the stepper motor etc however we may be able to provide a clear area to allow this sort of mounting, won't know until we start the design. Each extruder will need a different shape and amount of clear area however we may get a lot of overlap. Same with mounting holes. In the end we may need an interface bracket or brackets for all or some extruder options.

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                    • T3P3Tonyundefined
                      T3P3Tony administrators @MaxGyver
                      last edited by

                      @MaxGyver said in Combined Smart Effector and tool board for delta printers:

                      Unfortunately, there is no way to mount the Revo Roto from below trough the effector plate

                      A couple of L shaped printed brackets would be needed for sure.

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                      • o_lampeundefined
                        o_lampe @T3P3Tony
                        last edited by

                        @T3P3Tony said in Combined Smart Effector and tool board for delta printers:

                        In the end we may need an interface bracket or brackets for all or some extruder options.

                        Right, I thought the same. But in case of a raised Roto it would interfere with the rods?

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                        • dc42undefined
                          dc42 administrators @o_lampe
                          last edited by

                          How much would the rod spacing need to be increased to accommodate the Roto without it interfering with the rods, assuming it is mounted on top of the effector as illustrated earlier?

                          Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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                          • apakundefined
                            apak
                            last edited by

                            I would try at least one

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                            • o_lampeundefined
                              o_lampe @dc42
                              last edited by o_lampe

                              @dc42 My observation was, that the roto's big footprint in @MaxGyver 's illustration was directly on the pcb.
                              It depends on the height of the components how much the roto would have to be raised.
                              Other DD-extruders like the hextrudort or sherpa mini have a much smaller footprint. I'd suggest to mount them in the same direction as the roto: with the stepper motor between the rods.

                              A dumb question: with the accelerator chip on the effector, would it be possible to compensate tilt during probing? If so, it wouldn't have to be a nozzle touch probe, but could be any other.
                              The math for tilt compensation would be easy. You have the offset between probe and effector-center and you can read the tilt-changes between first homing and when the effector reaches the given probing coords.

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                              • nikschaundefined
                                nikscha
                                last edited by

                                I would be interested in a variant for the Roto.

                                Stay in school

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                                • MaxGyverundefined
                                  MaxGyver @dc42
                                  last edited by

                                  @dc42

                                  Apologies, I have overlooked your last comment!

                                  The rod spacing would have to bee at least 80mm to fit the RevoRoto.
                                  Screenshot 2024-01-21 233624.png

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                                  • dc42undefined
                                    dc42 administrators @MaxGyver
                                    last edited by

                                    @MaxGyver thanks for that. I wonder if even 80mm would be sufficient, because your diagram suggests that if the extruder is mounted that way then the motor would likely interfere with the rod to the top left ball.

                                    Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                    Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
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                                    • T3P3Tonyundefined
                                      T3P3Tony administrators @MaxGyver
                                      last edited by

                                      @MaxGyver why would it not be rotated to be between the rods?

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                                      • czyzczyzundefined
                                        czyzczyz @T3P3Tony
                                        last edited by

                                        @T3P3Tony This is only semi-on-topic because I have a 713-maker effector plate on my Rostock Max v2, not a Smart Effector.

                                        But I have cobbled together a real-world implementation of an LDO Orbiter V2.0 on that effector. My solution was to rotate (20º) and raise the extruder (25mm) to clear the arms. A short length of bowden tubing within the extender keeps the filament guided between motor and extruder. It turned out that this arrangement cut down on the build envelope more than desired (allowed the motor to hit the arms at the top extreme of the plate) so I moved all of the effector's arm attachment points outward by 13mm (increasing the size of the effector plate).

                                        IMG_7509.jpeg
                                        IMG_7507.jpeg

                                        Raising and rotating the motor might have deleterious effects on momentum/vibration/tilt that outweigh the fact that it allows for a slightly smaller effector plate that still fits the motor between the arms. But it's working for me for the moment.

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                                        • HiWingundefined
                                          HiWing
                                          last edited by

                                          Very keen to have something like this I have an Anycubic Predator, would like to use Orbiter 2.0 and maybe Pheatus Rapido, this is the same combo I run on my Large corexy 1100mm x 700mm x670mm running Duet 3 6hc, ready to order a smart delta effector as soon as they are ready to ship
                                          Paul

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