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    paboman
    last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 13:03

    What is the best way to use a 12v cooling fan (no pwm) on a 24v duet system ?

    Do I really need stepdown converter ?

    I ask beacuse good quality 30x30 fans (Sunon and RS pro) are available in 12 and 5 volts only.

    BTW if you know any vendor of 30x30x10 24v fan with at least 5CFM of airflow let me know please

    thx!

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      jay_s_uk
      last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 13:08

      duet 3 boards allow you to set the fan output voltage to either 12v or 24v.
      older boards will need a stepdown/buck converter

      Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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        paboman @jay_s_uk
        last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 13:10

        @jay_s_uk said in Best way to 12v fan on 24v system:

        duet 3 boards allow you to set the fan output voltage to either 12v or 24v.
        older boards will need a stepdown/buck converter

        thx, for now I have an older duet system

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          jay_s_uk
          last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 13:12

          then yes, you will need one unfortunately.
          run the buck converter off the same PSU as the Duet. Connect the positive of the fan to the positive of the converter. Connect the negative of the fan to the ground of the fan connection.

          Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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            paboman
            last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 13:51

            ok , thx!

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              Joel
              last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 16:32

              Can you run 2 fans, do them in series?

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                Blacksheep99
                last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 16:34

                Maestro can run 24v and 5v. You haven't said which board you have.

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                  bot
                  last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 16:52

                  Duex addons allow 12 V fans on 24 V system. Feel like adding some axes to your machine?

                  *not actually a robot

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                    Veti
                    last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 18:07

                    see
                    https://www.blvprojects.com/blv-mgn-cube-3d-printer?pgid=k8hkwn62-378a696b-a7f1-46b5-9e6c-1290261fa468

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                      Phaedrux Moderator
                      last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 18:55

                      https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_and_configuring_fans#Section_Using_12V_fans_when_VIN_is_24V

                      Z-Bot CoreXY Build | Thingiverse Profile

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                        paboman @Blacksheep99
                        last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 23:57

                        @Blacksheep99
                        does Maestro have a voltage converter ? So can I drive the system with 24 v and cooling fan with 5 to 24v ?

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                          paboman @bot
                          last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 23:58

                          @bot not yet but thank you for the input !

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                            paboman @Veti
                            last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 23:58

                            @Veti
                            thx!

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                              paboman @Phaedrux
                              last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 23:58

                              @Phaedrux said in Best way to 12v fan on 24v system:

                              https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Connecting_and_configuring_fans#Section_Using_12V_fans_when_VIN_is_24V

                              thx !

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                                mendenmh
                                last edited by mendenmh 3 Oct 2021, 01:35 10 Mar 2021, 01:34

                                If it's a fixed-speed fan (not PWM), you could probably just use a dropping resistor. Measure the fan current, and set the resistance for a 12V drop. R=12/I where I is the current in amps. A buck converter is nice, but for a low-power load, where you don't care about efficiency, it's a bit of overkill.

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                                  zapta @paboman
                                  last edited by zapta 3 Oct 2021, 01:50 10 Mar 2021, 01:47

                                  @paboman said in Best way to 12v fan on 24v system:

                                  Sunon and RS pro are available in 12 and 5 volts only.

                                  I had the same need (Sunon 12V) and a buck converter solved the problem. Sunon fans are much better than cheap Chinese fans and worth the trouble IMO.

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                                    Blacksheep99 @paboman
                                    last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 11:06

                                    @paboman said in Best way to 12v fan on 24v system:

                                    @Blacksheep99
                                    does Maestro have a voltage converter ? So can I drive the system with 24 v and cooling fan with 5 to 24v ?

                                    There is a jumper for fan 2 so you can run the others at VIN and that at 5v. I do this on my printer. I use a Noctua 5v and the part cooling fan is a 50mm blower.

                                    https://d17kynu4zpq5hy.cloudfront.net/igi/duet3d/x1wYdbGAsbWWvlqT.huge

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                                      mrehorstdmd
                                      last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 13:02

                                      I always keep some of these on hand for powering fans, LEDs, etc. https://www.amazon.com/EBL-MP1584EN-Converter-Adjustable-Supply/dp/B08GSJVPB2/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=buck+converter&qid=1615381025&sr=8-6

                                      They're dirt cheap, very small, very efficient, and seem to be reliable, but be very careful with the voltage adjustment pot. They're small and light enough that you don't have to mount them on anything- after you set the output voltage, just cover the whole thing with shrink tubing and treat it as part of the cable.

                                      https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/

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                                        lord binky @zapta
                                        last edited by lord binky 10 Mar 2021, 17:03

                                        @zapta I second the sunon fans. They last, and come in high CFM or low CFM for quieter.

                                        I personally think the best way is to put wire two 12V in series though 😄 more fans! ( Edit: 😇 OK ok, I was being facetious there and I'll clarify this is NOT the way to do it, but the responses did bring me a smile 👿 )

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                                          zapta @lord binky
                                          last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 22:18

                                          @lord-binky said in Best way to 12v fan on 24v system:

                                          I personally think the best way is to put wire two 12V in series though more fans!

                                          It may work, assuming the two fans identical (same current consumption) and if PWM controlled, are subject to the same control.

                                          (I have no experience with multiple fans in serial so don't know for sure).

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