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    • deckingmanundefined
      deckingman
      last edited by

      Also of note is that E3D will be patenting some of their new innovations. https://e3d-online.com/blogs/news/e3d-s-no-nonsense-to-the-point-approach-to-ip

      Ian
      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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      • bricorundefined
        bricor
        last edited by bricor

        Another E3D blog post - 9/28/21
        https://e3d-online.com/blogs/news/rapidchangerevo

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        • jens55undefined
          jens55
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          I am looking at this new system and I am not sure what I think about it.

          I know they don't have hardened nozzles yet (to come, I am sure) but when you bugger up a nozzle with abrasive material or just for the heck of it, it seems like it will be a lot more expensive than just changing the nozzle.
          I have also had sensors malfunction (although they were clones) and just shudder to think what it would cost to replace the heater/sensor module.

          I lean towards liking what I see but I guess we will have to see what pricing is like. I can't honestly see much of an advantage over my Dragon hot ends.
          It will be interesting when first hand use reports show up on the web.

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          • alankilianundefined
            alankilian @jens55
            last edited by alankilian

            @jens55 said in New hot end system from E3D?:

            I guess we will have to see what pricing is like.

            From that webpage:

            All the cool innovation you see in Revo is still going to cost you significantly
            less than anything else you’ll find in the market of this quality. In fact, for
            around £100 (that’s roughly 120 USD) you’ll not only get a full Revo HotEnd 
            you’ll have all four Revo nozzles to swap out. 
            

            If they can sell the full hotend and four nozzles for US$120 it seems like pricing for replacement nozzles should be reasonable.

            But as you said, we'll have to wait and see...

            SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300

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            • DIY-O-Sphereundefined
              DIY-O-Sphere @jens55
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              @jens55 said in New hot end system from E3D?:

              It will be interesting when first hand use reports show up on the web.

              Check the jubilee discord channel....

              (UTC+1)

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              • jens55undefined
                jens55 @DIY-O-Sphere
                last edited by

                @diy-o-sphere, the new E3d stuff is 'announced' but not yet 'available'. So they are all guessing there too 🙂

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                • DIY-O-Sphereundefined
                  DIY-O-Sphere @jens55
                  last edited by

                  @jens55
                  There are some beta testers,,,,

                  (UTC+1)

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                  • jens55undefined
                    jens55 @DIY-O-Sphere
                    last edited by

                    @diy-o-sphere said in New hot end system from E3D?:

                    @jens55
                    There are some beta testers,,,,

                    I must have missed that part ..... I follow that Discord

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                    • plasticfactoryundefined
                      plasticfactory @DIY-O-Sphere
                      last edited by

                      @diy-o-sphere Which channel?

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                      • DIY-O-Sphereundefined
                        DIY-O-Sphere @plasticfactory
                        last edited by

                        @plasticfactory

                        #machine-electronics now moved to #random

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                        • plasticfactoryundefined
                          plasticfactory @DIY-O-Sphere
                          last edited by plasticfactory

                          @diy-o-sphere Thank you.

                          Am I understanding this correctly -- if you remove the nozzle, the hotend comes off as well?

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                          • zaptaundefined
                            zapta @alankilian
                            last edited by

                            @alankilian said in New hot end system from E3D?:

                            If they can sell the full hotend and four nozzles for US$120 it seems like pricing for replacement nozzles should be reasonable.

                            Without cheap clones and imitations, at this price it will be a niche product, like Slice's. Weather we like it or not, it's the cheap Chinese products that create the wide adoption and a rich eco system.

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                            • weed2allundefined
                              weed2all @plasticfactory
                              last edited by

                              @plasticfactory yes!

                              https://www.thingiverse.com/weed2all/designs

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                              • o_lampeundefined
                                o_lampe @alankilian
                                last edited by

                                @alankilian said in New hot end system from E3D?:

                                If they can sell the full hotend and four nozzles for US$120 it seems like pricing for replacement nozzles should be reasonable.

                                ...dream on 😉 Maybe it's like buying an inkjet printer for peanuts and later spend $$$ for new ink.
                                It's the classic Rockefeller method: hook'em up with a cheap lantern, then sell petroleum for grands...

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                                • o_lampeundefined
                                  o_lampe @bricor
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                                  @bricor @dc42
                                  They're using a PTC heater element, wondering how that will cooperate with RRF PID tuning?

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                                  • achrnundefined
                                    achrn @o_lampe
                                    last edited by

                                    I wonder whether the coupling between heater element and sensor (all in one integrated unit) will be tighter than between heater element and nozzle (noting also that the nozzles seems a loosish fit in the heater element - I see a spring apparently to keep things from completely loose).

                                    But I expect E3D have some idea that it works...

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                                    • deckingmanundefined
                                      deckingman @zapta
                                      last edited by

                                      @zapta said in New hot end system from E3D?:

                                      Without cheap clones and imitations, at this price it will be a niche product, like Slice's. Weather we like it or not, it's the cheap Chinese products that create the wide adoption and a rich eco system.

                                      If it wasn't for cheap clones, the genuine original product would be cheaper and need not be a niche product. It's the cheap clones that drive up the price of the genuine original and stifle innovation. It costs money to design and develop a new product. That R&D cost can be amortised over a number of unit sales. Let's say for example that it costs a company 10,000 in R&D costs to develop an idea. If that company can sell 10,000 units, then they would only need to charge 1.00 per unit to get their costs back. But if they only sell 100 units, then they would need to charge 100.00 per unit just to get their R&D costs back. So when cloners come along and steal their ideas, they have no such R&D costs, so they can undercut the original, which drives down sales of the original making the cost differential greater.

                                      Cloners are not interested in developing new products - why should they when they can steal other peoples ideas for nothing? So why would any company spend money on R&D if they can never get that money back?

                                      A case in point. I've spent 2 years attempting to develop a 6 input hot end - probably about 10 hours a week on average. That's 1000 hours of my time @ say a modest £10 per hour = £10,000 for labour. Then I bought a small lathe and milling machine plus tooling so another £2,000 or so. So if this ever went to market, I would want get that £12,000 back. But I know that I could never sell enough units at a reasonable enough price to recoup that cost because a Chinese cloner would steal my design and so could sell them for less. So if ever I get this thing working, I will take the design to my grave rather then let a thief profit from it.

                                      I often wonder how many other innovative ideas are sitting around which will never be bought to market for the same reasons.

                                      Ian
                                      https://somei3deas.wordpress.com/
                                      https://www.youtube.com/@deckingman

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                                      • jay_s_ukundefined
                                        jay_s_uk @o_lampe
                                        last edited by

                                        @o_lampe I've had no issues tuning my beta unit

                                        Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                                        • Diamondbackundefined
                                          Diamondback
                                          last edited by

                                          @o_lampe said in New hot end system from E3D?:

                                          @bricor @dc42
                                          They're using a PTC heater element, wondering how that will cooperate with RRF PID tuning?

                                          I did not notice any difference to "normal" heaters, it worked just fine.

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                                          • zaptaundefined
                                            zapta @Diamondback
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                                            @diamondback said in New hot end system from E3D?:

                                            I did not notice any difference to "normal" heaters, it worked just fine.

                                            When you run the Duet's PID, did it report a lower 'max temperature' due to the PTC?

                                            The PTC is represented as a safety feature that limits the max temp in case the power mostfet get stuck in on state.

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