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    • dc42undefined
      dc42 administrators @tecno
      last edited by dc42

      @tecno try even lower, e.g. 100.

      Also, if the green LED flashes at the end of the XY travel move rather than at the start of the probing move, increase the M558 R parameter.

      Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
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      • tecnoundefined
        tecno @dc42
        last edited by

        @dc42

        R1 or R2 Still same problem

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        • tecnoundefined
          tecno @tecno
          last edited by

          DSC_0115.JPG

          No problems with fan shroud taken off.

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          • Phaedruxundefined
            Phaedrux Moderator
            last edited by

            What does the fan shroud look like when on?

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            • tecnoundefined
              tecno @Phaedrux
              last edited by

              @phaedrux
              https://youtu.be/6YHxmoWgLI8

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              • Phaedruxundefined
                Phaedrux Moderator
                last edited by

                Ah, so quite large then.

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                • tecnoundefined
                  tecno @Phaedrux
                  last edited by

                  @phaedrux

                  Jay has been using this model without problems, so go figure.

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                  • Phaedruxundefined
                    Phaedrux Moderator
                    last edited by

                    Interesting. I wonder if it's a sensitivity problem then.

                    I assume it's been disassembled and reassembled already?

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                    • tecnoundefined
                      tecno @Phaedrux
                      last edited by

                      @phaedrux

                      Still as in latest picture = no duct.
                      Total weight is 84grams with 3 fans, printed in PETG.

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                      • jay_s_ukundefined
                        jay_s_uk @Phaedrux
                        last edited by

                        @phaedrux that duct design (which is mine) works fine for me on my smart effector v3 so i doubt thats the issue. I still think its a mechanical issue with effector tilt

                        Owns various duet boards and is the main wiki maintainer for the Teamgloomy LPC/STM32 port of RRF. Assume I'm running whatever the latest beta/stable build is

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                        • tecnoundefined
                          tecno @jay_s_uk
                          last edited by tecno

                          Have found my main issue = the printed effector adapter is way too small = too short rods.

                          Back to the drawing board!

                          DSC_0117.JPG DSC_0116.JPG

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                          • tecnoundefined
                            tecno @tecno
                            last edited by

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                            A bit larger adapter 😉

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                              tecno @tecno
                              last edited by

                              One violent move and this is the result.
                              DSC_0120.JPG

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                                tecno @tecno
                                last edited by

                                So some days has gone and I am now trying to get the Smart Effector to work = no go!

                                New non 3D printed effector adapter (original in alu with slight modifications)

                                Area of bed 9 to 3 down to 6 can be probed G30 and 0,0 towards back about 50mm works
                                Out of that area the smart effector is not sensitive enough as the effector needs to tilt a lot before it triggers.
                                I find this a bit odd as the trigger LED on head moves. All set to default values.

                                bed.g

                                config.g

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                                • Phaedruxundefined
                                  Phaedrux Moderator
                                  last edited by Phaedrux

                                  Your dive speed seems to be half the recommended value. M558 F600 vs M558 F1200

                                  https://docs.duet3d.com/en/Duet3D_hardware/Accessories/Smart_Effector#configuring-firmware

                                  M558 P8 R0.8 C"probe+servo0" H10 F600 T2000

                                  M558 P8 R0.4 F1200

                                  So perhaps it's not striking with enough force to reliably trigger.

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                                  • tecnoundefined
                                    tecno @Phaedrux
                                    last edited by

                                    @phaedrux

                                    And looks like that, had to go all way up to 2500 to get reliable trig.

                                    Where do I set hotend offset and where to set effector offset?
                                    Looking from front X0/Y0 effector is to left and the hotend is a bit left too.

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                                    • Phaedruxundefined
                                      Phaedrux Moderator @tecno
                                      last edited by

                                      @tecno said in Smart Effector issue:

                                      Where do I set hotend offset and where to set effector offset?
                                      Looking from front X0/Y0 effector is to left and the hotend is a bit left too.

                                      I'm not sure what you mean.

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                                      • dc42undefined
                                        dc42 administrators @Phaedrux
                                        last edited by

                                        FWIW we've identified a modification to the Smart Effector version 3 that improves the signal-to-noise ratio, which in turn allows you to use a higher sensitivity unless fan noise etc. prevents that. The modification is to remove capacitor C8. This can be done using a soldering iron with a bit large enough to cover both pads. Alternatively, you could use a small twist drill bit to remove a thin sliver of copper around the adjacent via that connects one end of the capacitor to the ground plane.

                                        182b0bde-15dd-4dac-a4d3-573ecf3c3973-image.png

                                        This image is as viewed from the top of the PCB, so you need to invert it when looking at the bottom.

                                        Duet WiFi hardware designer and firmware engineer
                                        Please do not ask me for Duet support via PM or email, use the forum
                                        http://www.escher3d.com, https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com

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                                        • tecnoundefined
                                          tecno @Phaedrux
                                          last edited by

                                          @phaedrux said in Smart Effector issue:

                                          @tecno said in Smart Effector issue:

                                          Where do I set hotend offset and where to set effector offset?
                                          Looking from front X0/Y0 effector is to left and the hotend is a bit left too.

                                          I'm not sure what you mean.

                                          ; Tools
                                          M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
                                          G10 P0 X-4 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
                                          G10 P0 R0 S0

                                          Fixed offset issue

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                                          • tecnoundefined
                                            tecno @dc42
                                            last edited by

                                            @dc42 said in Smart Effector issue:

                                            FWIW we've identified a modification to the Smart Effector version 3 that improves the signal-to-noise ratio, which in turn allows you to use a higher sensitivity unless fan noise etc. prevents that. The modification is to remove capacitor C8. This can be done using a soldering iron with a bit large enough to cover both pads. Alternatively, you could use a small twist drill bit to remove a thin sliver of copper around the adjacent via that connects one end of the capacitor to the ground plane.

                                            182b0bde-15dd-4dac-a4d3-573ecf3c3973-image.png

                                            This image is as viewed from the top of the PCB, so you need to invert it when looking at the bottom.

                                            So far during my tests no fans are used, good to know when adding fans.

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